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A pilot reported that the pae runway 34 hold short line on runway 11 is not clearly presented when approaching from taxiway D because the hold line only extends the width of runway 11 and may not be seen when entering from taxiway D.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1014444 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201205 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | PAE.Airport |
| State Reference | WA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Engineer |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 45 Flight Crew Total 14550 Flight Crew Type 1250 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
After deplaning passengers; we called ground control for taxi clearance for our IFR return flight to home base. The following clearance was received; 'taxi to runway 34L via bravo; alpha; runway 11. Hold short of runway 34L at runway 11.' while taxiing southbound on alpha; approaching runway 11; I switched to tower frequency (as directed by ground control) and the pilot flying initiated a right turn onto runway 11. While looking for the standard runway-hold signage that would be expected at the termination of the runway; we overheard tower say; 'takeoff clearance canceled; there is a jet that ground isn't talking to that just entered (past the hold short line).' we immediately stopped the aircraft (still about 50 ft from the runway 34L edge paint); called tower and was instructed to 'just make a 180 and get back behind the hold-line.' remarkably; the hold line at that position on the airport is unlike the other (expected) hold lines. It merely stretches across just the runway position; and in-line with the right edge of taxiway alpha. The line itself is difficult to see when approaching from the north since the runway is slightly higher than the taxiway. Also; one would expect to see the red signage associated with hold-short instructions for a runway. See the diagram of the runway; depicting the hold line on the runway and how easily an aircraft can make the turn onto runway 11; and be immediately beyond the hold line. There is no signage for holding at runway 34L from runway 11 (29).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A pilot reported that the PAE Runway 34 hold short line on Runway 11 is not clearly presented when approaching from Taxiway D because the hold line only extends the width of Runway 11 and may not be seen when entering from Taxiway D.
Narrative: After deplaning passengers; we called Ground Control for taxi clearance for our IFR return flight to home base. The following clearance was received; 'Taxi to Runway 34L via Bravo; Alpha; Runway 11. Hold short of Runway 34L at Runway 11.' While taxiing southbound on Alpha; approaching Runway 11; I switched to Tower frequency (as directed by Ground Control) and the pilot flying initiated a right turn onto Runway 11. While looking for the standard runway-hold signage that would be expected at the termination of the runway; we overheard Tower say; 'takeoff clearance canceled; there is a jet that Ground isn't talking to that just entered (past the hold short line).' We immediately stopped the aircraft (still about 50 FT from the Runway 34L edge paint); called Tower and was instructed to 'just make a 180 and get back behind the hold-line.' Remarkably; the hold line at that position on the airport is unlike the other (expected) hold lines. It merely stretches across just the runway position; and in-line with the right edge of Taxiway Alpha. The line itself is difficult to see when approaching from the north since the runway is slightly higher than the taxiway. Also; one would expect to see the red signage associated with hold-short instructions for a runway. See the diagram of the runway; depicting the hold line on the runway and how easily an aircraft can make the turn onto Runway 11; and be immediately beyond the hold line. There is no signage for holding at Runway 34L from Runway 11 (29).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.