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Aircraft exceeded the required 250 KTS below 10000' during descent to sfo. Speed reduced and approach continued.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 101782 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198901 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sfo |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak tower : hou |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : sfo |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 37 |
| ASRS Report | 101782 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Speed infraction due to crew fatigue and limited experience and late night hour. Both crew members have less than 50 hours in large transport, plus just completed a trip, then late night break out for long haul, different time zones, marginal WX. In my opinion a high minimum captain should never be paired with a copilot with minimum or limited experience. This is only inviting disaster. Too many things were not right on this approach. I'm not as concerned about the speed problem as I am about experience level of the crew, coupled with the other conditions. Because of the distrs it could just as easily have been an altitude or course problem. The glass cockpit is an unfamiliar animal to many of us, but never should 2 pilots with low experience levels be assigned together. In this computer age today, it should be simple to red flag the coplts. Just as the capts are high minimum, there should be a copilot high minimum and not be assigned to a high minimum captain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT EXCEEDED THE REQUIRED 250 KTS BELOW 10000' DURING DESCENT TO SFO. SPEED REDUCED AND APCH CONTINUED.
Narrative: SPEED INFRACTION DUE TO CREW FATIGUE AND LIMITED EXPERIENCE AND LATE NIGHT HOUR. BOTH CREW MEMBERS HAVE LESS THAN 50 HRS IN LGT, PLUS JUST COMPLETED A TRIP, THEN LATE NIGHT BREAK OUT FOR LONG HAUL, DIFFERENT TIME ZONES, MARGINAL WX. IN MY OPINION A HIGH MINIMUM CAPT SHOULD NEVER BE PAIRED WITH A COPLT WITH MINIMUM OR LIMITED EXPERIENCE. THIS IS ONLY INVITING DISASTER. TOO MANY THINGS WERE NOT RIGHT ON THIS APCH. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPD PROB AS I AM ABOUT EXPERIENCE LEVEL OF THE CREW, COUPLED WITH THE OTHER CONDITIONS. BECAUSE OF THE DISTRS IT COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE BEEN AN ALT OR COURSE PROB. THE GLASS COCKPIT IS AN UNFAMILIAR ANIMAL TO MANY OF US, BUT NEVER SHOULD 2 PLTS WITH LOW EXPERIENCE LEVELS BE ASSIGNED TOGETHER. IN THIS COMPUTER AGE TODAY, IT SHOULD BE SIMPLE TO RED FLAG THE COPLTS. JUST AS THE CAPTS ARE HIGH MINIMUM, THERE SHOULD BE A COPLT HIGH MINIMUM AND NOT BE ASSIGNED TO A HIGH MINIMUM CAPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.