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Attributes | |
ACN | 1057595 |
Time | |
Date | 201212 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 202 Flight Crew Type 8500 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Ground Event / Encounter Other / Unknown |
Narrative:
We were cleared to line up and wait on runway 9L. The visibility was good and there was light precipitation falling; rain with a few snowflakes. The outside air temperature was above freezing. The first officer and I were very diligent about whether any precipitation was adhering to the aircraft and it most definitely was not. As we were sitting in position; tower stated 'company XXX; new ATIS calling light snow pellets. Fly heading 081; cleared for takeoff.' I released brakes and we took off uneventfully. The question that arose is whether we should have declined takeoff clearance and de-iced or if we were okay to press on with the takeoff. It is not a question of safety; because there was minimal precipitation and we most definitely had a clean aircraft. Since we were in position on the runway; we did not bring up the new ATIS on ACARS because it would have been inappropriate at that time.... Our concern is not whether our actions were safe; because we definitely had a clean aircraft. Our question is whether at the time with the limited information we had; should we have taken off or de-iced? It was obvious looking out the windows that the precipitation was light and not adhering to the aircraft or any outside structures. It was a very light mist falling and the OAT was above freezing. I believe if it was stated by ATC as 'ice pellets' and I hadn't yet started pushing up the power; the correct action would have been to clear the runway and have type 1 and type 4 sprayed on the clean aircraft. While commencing the takeoff and getting the short; verbal ATIS from tower about 'light snow pellets;' I believe we were correct in our actions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: When cleared for takeoff; B737-700 flight crew was informed by Tower of an ATIS change to 'light snow pellets.' After an uneventful takeoff; flight crew questioned the legality of taking off without applying Type 1 and Type 4 fluid to the aircraft.
Narrative: We were cleared to line up and wait on Runway 9L. The visibility was good and there was light precipitation falling; rain with a few snowflakes. The outside air temperature was above freezing. The First Officer and I were very diligent about whether any precipitation was adhering to the aircraft and it most definitely was not. As we were sitting in position; Tower stated 'Company XXX; new ATIS calling light snow pellets. Fly heading 081; cleared for takeoff.' I released brakes and we took off uneventfully. The question that arose is whether we should have declined takeoff clearance and de-iced or if we were okay to press on with the takeoff. It is not a question of safety; because there was minimal precipitation and we most definitely had a clean aircraft. Since we were in position on the runway; we did not bring up the new ATIS on ACARS because it would have been inappropriate at that time.... Our concern is not whether our actions were safe; because we definitely had a clean aircraft. Our question is whether at the time with the limited information we had; should we have taken off or de-iced? It was obvious looking out the windows that the precipitation was light and not adhering to the aircraft or any outside structures. It was a very light mist falling and the OAT was above freezing. I believe if it was stated by ATC as 'ice pellets' and I hadn't yet started pushing up the power; the correct action would have been to clear the runway and have Type 1 and Type 4 sprayed on the clean aircraft. While commencing the takeoff and getting the short; verbal ATIS from Tower about 'light snow pellets;' I believe we were correct in our actions.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.