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Attributes | |
ACN | 106374 |
Time | |
Date | 198903 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 700 msl bound upper : 700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 106374 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Takeoff from msp runway 11L, given heading of 120 degrees. After takeoff first officer exclaimed, 'what's this?!', and I noticed an large transport who took off on runway 11R turning into us 1 mi ahead. I queried the local controller, who repeated 'right turn 120 degrees.' I said, 'we're breaking, left!' there seemed to be some confusion on part of controller and some lack of recognition of problem. When talking with watch supervisor upon arrival at ord, he told me the mistake they made was not telling me about traffic which would be turning left in front of me. My response was that I thought this was a less than intelligent routing procedure and I hadn't seen it at any other large airports with parallel runways. Complicating the issue was a split frequency for local control. I think this is a poor way to run traffic--ie, intersecting VFR departure paths--and that it needs an audit, badly!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT WERE ASSIGNED CONVERGING COURSES IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEP REQUIRING ONE ACFT TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION.
Narrative: TKOF FROM MSP RWY 11L, GIVEN HDG OF 120 DEGS. AFTER TKOF F/O EXCLAIMED, 'WHAT'S THIS?!', AND I NOTICED AN LGT WHO TOOK OFF ON RWY 11R TURNING INTO US 1 MI AHEAD. I QUERIED THE LCL CTLR, WHO REPEATED 'RIGHT TURN 120 DEGS.' I SAID, 'WE'RE BREAKING, LEFT!' THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSION ON PART OF CTLR AND SOME LACK OF RECOGNITION OF PROB. WHEN TALKING WITH WATCH SUPVR UPON ARR AT ORD, HE TOLD ME THE MISTAKE THEY MADE WAS NOT TELLING ME ABOUT TFC WHICH WOULD BE TURNING LEFT IN FRONT OF ME. MY RESPONSE WAS THAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LESS THAN INTELLIGENT ROUTING PROC AND I HADN'T SEEN IT AT ANY OTHER LARGE ARPTS WITH PARALLEL RWYS. COMPLICATING THE ISSUE WAS A SPLIT FREQ FOR LCL CTL. I THINK THIS IS A POOR WAY TO RUN TFC--IE, INTERSECTING VFR DEP PATHS--AND THAT IT NEEDS AN AUDIT, BADLY!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.