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Attributes | |
ACN | 1080827 |
Time | |
Date | 201304 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHL.TRACON |
State Reference | PA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 254 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence Inflight Event / Encounter Fuel Issue |
Narrative:
We were attempting to land on 27R at phl; but there was a wall of thunderstorms that paralleled the course and we couldn't find a safe place to turn in for the intercept to final. We were in continuous moderate at 6;000 ft and continually told the controller we were unable to make the turns they requested. The controller became almost argumentative and asked if we were going to go 40 miles before we turned; I responded we could not safely make a turn toward final and would not risk it. The controller then told us to continue and that he/she would tell us when we could turn. Several miles later; we informed the controller that we could accept a turn toward final and it was apparent to both of us that the controller was making a point by making us continue out away from the airport. Another carrier was behind us would not accept a turn and the controller asked them if they were going to be like the other guy and fly 40 miles away. At that altitude; we were monitoring fuel very closely and we were getting concerned that if we didn't get headed back toward the airport soon that we would only have one chance at landing before we had to divert to our alternate. I never had a controller try to bully me into doing something I felt was unsafe before; normally they are very helpful and are very conservative with weather vectors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Carrier Captain inbound to PHL voiced concern regarding ATC handling around weather.
Narrative: We were attempting to land on 27R at PHL; but there was a wall of thunderstorms that paralleled the course and we couldn't find a safe place to turn in for the intercept to final. We were in continuous moderate at 6;000 FT and continually told the Controller we were unable to make the turns they requested. The Controller became almost argumentative and asked if we were going to go 40 miles before we turned; I responded we could not safely make a turn toward final and would not risk it. The Controller then told us to continue and that he/she would tell us when we could turn. Several miles later; we informed the Controller that we could accept a turn toward final and it was apparent to both of us that the Controller was making a point by making us continue out away from the airport. Another carrier was behind us would not accept a turn and the Controller asked them if they were going to be like the other guy and fly 40 miles away. At that altitude; we were monitoring fuel very closely and we were getting concerned that if we didn't get headed back toward the airport soon that we would only have one chance at landing before we had to divert to our alternate. I never had a Controller try to bully me into doing something I felt was unsafe before; normally they are very helpful and are very conservative with weather vectors.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.