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Attributes | |
ACN | 1105763 |
Time | |
Date | 201308 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZMA.ARTCC |
State Reference | FL |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga/6X |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | King Air C90 E90 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
A king air 90 was IFR on his route to mlb at 10;000 ft. A piper saratoga called to pick up his IFR. I gave the saratoga his squawk code and started a track north of freeport since this is where they normally call to pick up their IFR. I continued to take care of other aircraft in my sector. My d-side mentioned the altitude as the 'conflict alert' went off and asked if I issued the saratoga 10;000 ft. I said no; just a squawk code. I then proceeded to give the king air the traffic call in case that was indeed where the saratoga was; but I had yet to radar identify the aircraft. The king air said that they had no contact and that they were IMC. When I issued the traffic; there was only 3 miles separation with a large overtake; and at the same altitude. I then asked the saratoga if he was level at 10;000 and that; if he was that it was not an approved VFR altitude; then I issued him the overtaking traffic. He said that he was trying to get to 10;500 but encountered a layer and decided to descend. However; while I was issuing all the traffic to both aircraft; his altitude never changed from the 10;000 ft. After there was finally altitude separation; and I felt like the danger was no longer imminent; I was able radar identify the saratoga. Even if pilots are anticipating on being issued their IFR; they should still remain in VFR conditions and at VFR altitudes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Enroute Controller described a near loss of separation when a VFR aircraft awaiting an IFR clearance entered IMC conditions close to an aircraft on an IFR clearance.
Narrative: A King Air 90 was IFR on his route to MLB at 10;000 FT. A Piper Saratoga called to pick up his IFR. I gave the Saratoga his squawk code and started a track north of Freeport since this is where they normally call to pick up their IFR. I continued to take care of other aircraft in my sector. My D-Side mentioned the altitude as the 'conflict alert' went off and asked if I issued the Saratoga 10;000 FT. I said no; just a squawk code. I then proceeded to give the King Air the traffic call in case that was indeed where the Saratoga was; but I had yet to RADAR identify the aircraft. The King Air said that they had no contact and that they were IMC. When I issued the traffic; there was only 3 miles separation with a large overtake; and at the same altitude. I then asked the Saratoga if he was level at 10;000 and that; if he was that it was not an approved VFR altitude; then I issued him the overtaking traffic. He said that he was trying to get to 10;500 but encountered a layer and decided to descend. However; while I was issuing all the traffic to both aircraft; his altitude never changed from the 10;000 FT. After there was finally altitude separation; and I felt like the danger was no longer imminent; I was able RADAR identify the Saratoga. Even if pilots are anticipating on being issued their IFR; they should still remain in VFR conditions and at VFR altitudes.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.