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Attributes | |
ACN | 112184 |
Time | |
Date | 198905 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2750 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 72 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 4456 |
ASRS Report | 112184 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Captain copied ATIS while I flew and monitored ATC. He wrote down that ILS 9R, 9L and 12 in use at mia. Approach cleared us for the ILS 9R to cross the IAF (which is an intersection off of mia VOR) at 3000'. (This intersection is also the G/south intercept). At the G/south intercept, I started down the G/south with the runway in sight (captain didn't bother to have cross radio defining intersection set-up) and at 2750' MSL the controller told us to check our altitude. I immediately leveled off. He said we were still 1 mi from the IAF and at this time we were told the 9R G/south was OTS. The captain claims this information was not on the ATIS, which I was never able to confirm or deny. The real problem here is that many ATC controllers will clear an aircraft for an ILS approach (when the G/south is OTS), instead of 'cleared for the ILS 9R G/south OTS.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER FLT BEGAN DESCENT ON APCH PRIOR TO REACHING THE INITIAL APCH FIX.
Narrative: CAPT COPIED ATIS WHILE I FLEW AND MONITORED ATC. HE WROTE DOWN THAT ILS 9R, 9L AND 12 IN USE AT MIA. APCH CLRED US FOR THE ILS 9R TO CROSS THE IAF (WHICH IS AN INTXN OFF OF MIA VOR) AT 3000'. (THIS INTXN IS ALSO THE G/S INTERCEPT). AT THE G/S INTERCEPT, I STARTED DOWN THE G/S WITH THE RWY IN SIGHT (CAPT DIDN'T BOTHER TO HAVE CROSS RADIO DEFINING INTXN SET-UP) AND AT 2750' MSL THE CTLR TOLD US TO CHK OUR ALT. I IMMEDIATELY LEVELED OFF. HE SAID WE WERE STILL 1 MI FROM THE IAF AND AT THIS TIME WE WERE TOLD THE 9R G/S WAS OTS. THE CAPT CLAIMS THIS INFO WAS NOT ON THE ATIS, WHICH I WAS NEVER ABLE TO CONFIRM OR DENY. THE REAL PROB HERE IS THAT MANY ATC CTLRS WILL CLR AN ACFT FOR AN ILS APCH (WHEN THE G/S IS OTS), INSTEAD OF 'CLRED FOR THE ILS 9R G/S OTS.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.