37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 1125174 |
Time | |
Date | 201310 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | HQZ.Airport |
State Reference | TX |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Landing |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Landing |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Single Pilot Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Private |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 20 Flight Crew Total 1800 Flight Crew Type 1800 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 200 Vertical 200 |
Narrative:
Departed hqz runway 17 in cessna 150 for traffic pattern work. Student pilot in cessna departed after; asked if we were staying in pattern as he had announced he had turned crosswind behind me. He also said I had extended my upwind. I said [I] would give way. Upon turning crosswind found he had was not on crosswind; was just turning crosswind behind me. I then turned downwind; announced was midfield downwind. Turned base; then final; announcing each. No position reports by student pilot; who had been below and behind me despite his misreporting his position on crosswind. On final at 400 AGL saw student in cessna was above me on final; overtaking me. Announced we were below and just ahead and that I was breaking left and going around to give student above and behind me right of way. Student in cessna landed; we landed after going around. Tried to discuss with student to make sure he was alright and extract mutual lessons learned. Not obvious that student learned anything from the conversation. My learning was to always keep traffic in sight; even if behind one; especially if they are misreporting position. Also to over communicate re position especially if other pilot has poor syntax and appears inexperienced.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C150 pilot in the HQZ traffic pattern reported a student pilot not communicating VFR pattern positions accurately and then when the student was 200 FT over him on short final; he executed a go-around.
Narrative: Departed HQZ Runway 17 in Cessna 150 for traffic pattern work. Student pilot in Cessna departed after; asked if we were staying in pattern as he had announced he had turned crosswind behind me. He also said I had extended my upwind. I said [I] would give way. Upon turning crosswind found he had was not on crosswind; was just turning crosswind behind me. I then turned downwind; announced was midfield downwind. Turned base; then final; announcing each. No position reports by student pilot; who had been below and behind me despite his misreporting his position on crosswind. On final at 400 AGL saw student in Cessna was above me on final; overtaking me. Announced we were below and just ahead and that I was breaking left and going around to give student above and behind me right of way. Student in Cessna landed; we landed after going around. Tried to discuss with student to make sure he was alright and extract mutual lessons learned. Not obvious that student learned anything from the conversation. My learning was to always keep traffic in sight; even if behind one; especially if they are misreporting position. Also to over communicate re position especially if other pilot has poor syntax and appears inexperienced.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.