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Las air carrier departure expressed concern regarding ATC's application of visual separation with successive departures and the transfer of responsibility to the flight crew.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1125781 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201310 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LAS.Airport |
| State Reference | NV |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Takeoff |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 240 Flight Crew Total 28000 Flight Crew Type 4000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
When we are number 2 for departure; and at the runway hold short line in las vegas; the las vegas tower frequently requests as to whether we have the aircraft in sight that is directly in front of us; holding in position on the runway; fifty yards away. When we say we do; then they state that we need to keep them in sight after they takeoff; and during our takeoff. This is virtually impossible; and should not be a stipulation of departure. We can not say we do not see them at 50 yards; but that should not tie us to the departure responsibility for separation; or relieve ATC of their obligations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LAS air carrier departure expressed concern regarding ATC's application of visual separation with successive departures and the transfer of responsibility to the flight crew.
Narrative: When we are number 2 for departure; and at the runway hold short line in Las Vegas; the Las Vegas Tower frequently requests as to whether we have the aircraft in sight that is directly in front of us; holding in position on the runway; fifty yards away. When we say we do; then they state that we need to keep them in sight after they takeoff; and during our takeoff. This is virtually impossible; and should not be a stipulation of departure. We can not say we do not see them at 50 yards; but that should not tie us to the departure responsibility for separation; or relieve ATC of their obligations.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.