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Attributes | |
ACN | 114504 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fdu |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob tower : pvd |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 17500 |
ASRS Report | 114504 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Dryer VOR was off the air on a flight from ord to cle. Center gave us 'cross findlay 60 DME on 073 degree radial at 10,000'' and we were at 240. This only gave us 28 mi to lose 14,000'. Gave it our best shot but soon had to ask for relief on crossing altitude. Center only would say do the best you can. What does this mean? Do your best but if you don't make it, it's ok? Or what? Anyway we didn't make it. Nothing was said but this is not a good way to do things.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC PHRASEOLOGY RESULTED IN CLRNC CONFUSION.
Narrative: DRYER VOR WAS OFF THE AIR ON A FLT FROM ORD TO CLE. CENTER GAVE US 'CROSS FINDLAY 60 DME ON 073 DEG RADIAL AT 10,000'' AND WE WERE AT 240. THIS ONLY GAVE US 28 MI TO LOSE 14,000'. GAVE IT OUR BEST SHOT BUT SOON HAD TO ASK FOR RELIEF ON XING ALT. CENTER ONLY WOULD SAY DO THE BEST YOU CAN. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DO YOUR BEST BUT IF YOU DON'T MAKE IT, IT'S OK? OR WHAT? ANYWAY WE DIDN'T MAKE IT. NOTHING WAS SAID BUT THIS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO THINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.