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Attributes | |
ACN | 115337 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 115337 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 115702 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was receiving a flight check ride from an inspector of the FAA in houston, tx. An airline flight information letter states that on all medium large transport type 1, after a power transfer, there should be a fire warning test. On the flight from charlotte to houston, tx, the FAA inspector stated this check was overlooked. He questioned me about this check and I had no idea what he was talking about. I was trained on the medium large transport, type 2. During my training this check was never addressed. This check is not on any of airline checklists or flight release papers. I feel my training on the medium large transport, type 2 by the airline was totally inadequate. Supplemental information from acn 115702: first officer report. Having not flown with the captain before I did not know he was not aware of the need to perform the fire test. He had only been flying the type 1 model for less than a month having come off the type 2 and said he was not told of the test either during training or once he was on the line. Since there is no place on the checklist to perform the test it has been my experience since the information letter was released for capts to perform the test at any time during taxi for takeoff. As a result I have on occasion been unaware that the test had been done if at the time I had been performing other duties. Sometimes the capts themselves forgot to do the test even though they were aware of it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR CARRIER CAPT BEING FLT CHECKED BY AN FAA INSPECTOR MISSES AN IMPORTANT CHECK WHILE TAXIING OUT. THE REQUIRED PROC IS CONTAINED IN AN INFORMATION LETTER SUPPLEMENT TO THE ACFT FLT MANUAL, AND IS NOT CONTAINED IN THE ACFT CHECKLIST.
Narrative: I WAS RECEIVING A FLT CHECK RIDE FROM AN INSPECTOR OF THE FAA IN HOUSTON, TX. AN AIRLINE FLT INFO LETTER STATES THAT ON ALL MLG TYPE 1, AFTER A POWER TRANSFER, THERE SHOULD BE A FIRE WARNING TEST. ON THE FLT FROM CHARLOTTE TO HOUSTON, TX, THE FAA INSPECTOR STATED THIS CHECK WAS OVERLOOKED. HE QUESTIONED ME ABOUT THIS CHECK AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. I WAS TRAINED ON THE MLG, TYPE 2. DURING MY TRAINING THIS CHECK WAS NEVER ADDRESSED. THIS CHECK IS NOT ON ANY OF AIRLINE CHECKLISTS OR FLT RELEASE PAPERS. I FEEL MY TRAINING ON THE MLG, TYPE 2 BY THE AIRLINE WAS TOTALLY INADEQUATE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 115702: F/O REPORT. HAVING NOT FLOWN WITH THE CAPT BEFORE I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE NEED TO PERFORM THE FIRE TEST. HE HAD ONLY BEEN FLYING THE TYPE 1 MODEL FOR LESS THAN A MONTH HAVING COME OFF THE TYPE 2 AND SAID HE WAS NOT TOLD OF THE TEST EITHER DURING TRAINING OR ONCE HE WAS ON THE LINE. SINCE THERE IS NO PLACE ON THE CHECKLIST TO PERFORM THE TEST IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE SINCE THE INFO LETTER WAS RELEASED FOR CAPTS TO PERFORM THE TEST AT ANY TIME DURING TAXI FOR TKOF. AS A RESULT I HAVE ON OCCASION BEEN UNAWARE THAT THE TEST HAD BEEN DONE IF AT THE TIME I HAD BEEN PERFORMING OTHER DUTIES. SOMETIMES THE CAPTS THEMSELVES FORGOT TO DO THE TEST EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE AWARE OF IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.