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Attributes | |
ACN | 116097 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : day |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3600 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : day |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 116097 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was 'cleared for a visual' to 36 (both 36 and 6 were in use (6R and 6L)). The controller (approach? Tower?) said 'medium large transport at 10 to 11 O'clock 2 miles, eastbound'. I did not see the medium large transport (it later turned out he was beneath my wing at 9 O'clock) and said 'where is the medium large transport now'. The controller (excitedly) said, 'right beneath you, climb to 4000', saying or inferring that I had not been cleared for a visual approach. The controller then vectored me to 90 degree, then 270 degree 'until ready to turn final for 36'. -- 'For spacing'. Question: what was the medium large transport doing at 3000 eastbound near the south boundary of the airport when he should have landed on 6R. Question: did the controller clear me 'for the visual' or tell me 'to expect a visual'. Recommendation: 'cleared for the visual' and 'cleared for the ILS' do not have the same impact, perhaps because of the precise vectoring involved in an ILS approach. We should change the terminology.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT'S MISINTERPRETATION OF CLRNC LEADS HIM INTO A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH ACR IN TRAFFIC PATTERN.
Narrative: I WAS 'CLRED FOR A VISUAL' TO 36 (BOTH 36 AND 6 WERE IN USE (6R AND 6L)). THE CTLR (APCH? TWR?) SAID 'MLG AT 10 TO 11 O'CLOCK 2 MILES, EBND'. I DID NOT SEE THE MLG (IT LATER TURNED OUT HE WAS BENEATH MY WING AT 9 O'CLOCK) AND SAID 'WHERE IS THE MLG NOW'. THE CTLR (EXCITEDLY) SAID, 'RIGHT BENEATH YOU, CLIMB TO 4000', SAYING OR INFERRING THAT I HAD NOT BEEN CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH. THE CTLR THEN VECTORED ME TO 90 DEG, THEN 270 DEG 'UNTIL READY TO TURN FINAL FOR 36'. -- 'FOR SPACING'. QUESTION: WHAT WAS THE MLG DOING AT 3000 EBND NEAR THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF THE ARPT WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE LANDED ON 6R. QUESTION: DID THE CTLR CLEAR ME 'FOR THE VISUAL' OR TELL ME 'TO EXPECT A VISUAL'. RECOMMENDATION: 'CLRED FOR THE VISUAL' AND 'CLRED FOR THE ILS' DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IMPACT, PERHAPS BECAUSE OF THE PRECISE VECTORING INVOLVED IN AN ILS APCH. WE SHOULD CHANGE THE TERMINOLOGY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.