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Attributes | |
ACN | 1174731 |
Time | |
Date | 201405 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SYR.Airport |
State Reference | NY |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER/LR (CRJ200) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Parked |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | FMS/FMC |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural FAR Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
We were dispatched with MEL 34-61-01 for dual FMS database expiration. The MEL specifies we could not accept RNAV/GPS approaches. The NOTAMS for syr stated that ILS 28 localizer/gp and ILS 10 gp out of service. When we arrived at syracuse; we were told that the entire ILS system was inoperative. Tower vectored us for a visual. On the second attempt we saw the runway and began a descent to 1;400 feet MSL / 1;000 feet AGL. When we reached 1;000 feet the warning horn sounded. We lowered the gear and landed without further incident. The captain requested a takeoff alternate from dispatch for the return flight. The threat began when an aircraft with outdated FMS databases was dispatched to an airport that required an alternate and had limited approaches. The ambiguous NOTAM compounded the threat. We also did not fully brief the visual which most likely lead to the gear horn warning. A more thorough review and request for clarification of the NOTAM by the pilots and dispatch would most likely have prevented this situation. Descending to 1;100 feet AGL would also have been the better course of action given the sensitivity of the radio altimeter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ200 First Officer reports being dispatched with both FMS's on MEL due to expired databases. The destination airport glideslope is out of service but upon arrival it is found the entire ILS is out of service and only a visual approach is possible a 1;000 foot ceiling. Two attempts are required and on the second attempt the landing gear is forgotten until reminded by the GPWS.
Narrative: We were dispatched with MEL 34-61-01 for dual FMS database expiration. The MEL specifies we could not accept RNAV/GPS approaches. The NOTAMS for SYR stated that ILS 28 LOC/GP and ILS 10 GP Out of Service. When we arrived at Syracuse; we were told that the entire ILS system was inoperative. Tower vectored us for a visual. On the second attempt we saw the runway and began a descent to 1;400 feet MSL / 1;000 feet AGL. When we reached 1;000 feet the warning horn sounded. We lowered the gear and landed without further incident. The Captain requested a takeoff alternate from Dispatch for the return flight. The threat began when an aircraft with outdated FMS databases was dispatched to an airport that required an alternate and had limited approaches. The ambiguous NOTAM compounded the threat. We also did not fully brief the visual which most likely lead to the gear horn warning. A more thorough review and request for clarification of the NOTAM by the pilots and dispatch would most likely have prevented this situation. Descending to 1;100 feet AGL would also have been the better course of action given the sensitivity of the radio altimeter.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.