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Attributes | |
ACN | 1184346 |
Time | |
Date | 201406 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZHU.ARTCC |
State Reference | TX |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 700 ER/LR (CRJ700) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR KIDDZ1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Component | |
Aircraft Component | Autoflight System |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Other Unwanted Situation |
Narrative:
There was no event. However; this is a safety observation. First of all; the reason there was no deviation was because of an attentive flight crew; especially; the first officer. My concern has to do with the KIDDZ1 arrival into houston. With a descend via clearance you are expected to pass kiddz intersection between 12;000 ft and 14;000 ft at 280 KTS. Then cross the next fix at 12;000 ft and 270 KTS. The distance between kiddz and the next fix is 4.4 NM. Now; I haven't done the math; but if you cross at the top limit of 14;000 ft over kiddz; would you be able to cross the next fix at 12;000 ft? I programmed the FMS to do just that; and was amazed that the FMS showed a 26 degree glidepath to descend 2;000 ft in 4.4 NM. Why was this arrival designed this way? This could cause a deviation if it hasn't already done so.make kiddz crossing at 12;000 and delete the next fix crossing at 12;000. Simplify the arrival in general.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ-700 Captain advised that the top altitude; 14;000; of the crossing window at KIDDZ on the KIDDZ RNAV STAR to HOU makes it questionable that an aircraft could comply with the 'at 12;000' crossing at SNIFY just 4.4 NM past KIDDZ.
Narrative: There was no event. However; this is a safety observation. First of all; the reason there was no deviation was because of an attentive flight crew; especially; the First Officer. My concern has to do with the KIDDZ1 arrival into Houston. With a descend via clearance you are expected to pass KIDDZ Intersection between 12;000 FT and 14;000 FT at 280 KTS. Then cross the next fix at 12;000 FT and 270 KTS. The distance between KIDDZ and the next fix is 4.4 NM. Now; I haven't done the math; but if you cross at the top limit of 14;000 FT over KIDDZ; would you be able to cross the next fix at 12;000 FT? I programmed the FMS to do just that; and was amazed that the FMS showed a 26 degree glidepath to descend 2;000 FT in 4.4 NM. Why was this arrival designed this way? This could cause a deviation if it hasn't already done so.Make KIDDZ crossing at 12;000 and delete the next fix crossing at 12;000. Simplify the arrival in general.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.