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Attributes | |
ACN | 1191871 |
Time | |
Date | 201407 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ONT.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Handoff / Assist Local |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 2.5 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Local |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 9 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
While I was working local assist; the llocal controller cleared aircraft X for takeoff; and then put aircraft Y into position. As soon as aircraft X started his southbound turn off the departure end; the local controller then cleared aircraft Y for takeoff. I told him that I thought that it was too close; but he didn't do anything about it. It appeared that there was not sufficient wake turbulence separation. Then; about 5 minutes later; the local controller cleared aircraft Z for takeoff and put aircraft west into position. As soon as aircraft Z started his turn off departure end; the local controller cleared aircraft west for takeoff. I told him again that it was probably too close. Then I told the supervisor that it looked too close both times and I didn't want to be his 'controller B.' this time there was a little more separation than the first; but it still appeared that there may not have been the appropriate wake turbulence separation.need some clarification of how exactly to calculate wake turbulence with a departure/departure; when the leading aircraft is a heavy or B757. Include runway lengths as separation? What about diverging courses?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Two ONT Tower Controllers report of a possible lack of separation due to departing the aircraft too soon.
Narrative: While I was working local assist; the lLocal Controller cleared Aircraft X for takeoff; and then put Aircraft Y into position. As soon as Aircraft X started his southbound turn off the departure end; the Local Controller then cleared Aircraft Y for takeoff. I told him that I thought that it was too close; but he didn't do anything about it. It appeared that there was not sufficient wake turbulence separation. Then; about 5 minutes later; the Local Controller cleared Aircraft Z for takeoff and put Aircraft W into position. As soon as Aircraft Z started his turn off departure end; the Local Controller cleared Aircraft W for takeoff. I told him again that it was probably too close. Then I told the Supervisor that it looked too close both times and I didn't want to be his 'Controller B.' This time there was a little more separation than the first; but it still appeared that there may not have been the appropriate wake turbulence separation.Need some clarification of how exactly to calculate wake turbulence with a departure/departure; when the leading aircraft is a Heavy or B757. Include runway lengths as separation? What about diverging courses?
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