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Attributes | |
ACN | 1196188 |
Time | |
Date | 201408 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER/LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
We were on approach to 24R. Approach control kept us high and vectored us to intercept the final approach course well inside the final approach fix. We had to be particularly careful on this approach because we had a sharp intercept angle and were high but there was also a heavy on approach abeam us to the parallel runway. I was dividing my tasks between the normal tasks inside the plane as the non flying pilot as well as putting a high priority on the nearby traffic. I noticed at about 1;200-1;300 feet on the radar altimeter that we were still high and fast but I felt like a go-around was not imminent yet. At 1;000 feet everything was coming together nicely we were still fast but slowing quickly. In hindsight I probably should have executed a go around at this point. I believe we were completely stable by 700 feet AGL. During the debrief session at the gate I made sure to hit home with my first officer who is very new at this company that if I did that approach again I would execute the go-around. I wanted to make sure he understood that that type of unstable approach should not be common place at [this airline.]the reason I wanted to submit this report is to draw attention to the fact that this is not an isolated incident at lax. I have been vectored inside the final approach fix multiple times this month in lax and have had to get creative and aggressive to execute a stable approach. The thing that really bothers me is that on most of these incidents there was never any traffic they were trying to squeeze us in front of. The aggressive vectors have seemed very unnecessary. I like most [company] pilots have years of experience flying in very congested and busy airports where tight spacing is a must. However; I am seeing a trend in lax that is going past efficient tight spacing; too far too aggressive vectoring.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Pilot reports of a slam dunk approach into LAX; closer than the normal slam dunk approach he is used to getting at this airport.
Narrative: We were on approach to 24R. Approach Control kept us high and vectored us to intercept the final approach course well inside the final approach fix. We had to be particularly careful on this approach because we had a sharp intercept angle and were high but there was also a heavy on approach abeam us to the parallel runway. I was dividing my tasks between the normal tasks inside the plane as the non flying pilot as well as putting a high priority on the nearby traffic. I noticed at about 1;200-1;300 feet on the Radar Altimeter that we were still high and fast but I felt like a Go-Around was not imminent yet. At 1;000 feet everything was coming together nicely we were still fast but slowing quickly. In hindsight I probably should have executed a go around at this point. I believe we were completely stable by 700 feet AGL. During the debrief session at the gate I made sure to hit home with my First Officer who is very new at this company that if I did that approach again I would execute the go-around. I wanted to make sure he understood that that type of unstable approach should not be common place at [this airline.]The reason I wanted to submit this report is to draw attention to the fact that this is not an isolated incident at LAX. I have been vectored inside the final approach fix multiple times this month in LAX and have had to get creative and aggressive to execute a stable approach. The thing that really bothers me is that on most of these incidents there was never any traffic they were trying to squeeze us in front of. The aggressive vectors have seemed very unnecessary. I like most [company] pilots have years of experience flying in very congested and busy airports where tight spacing is a must. However; I am seeing a trend in LAX that is going past efficient tight spacing; too far too aggressive vectoring.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.