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B737-800 flight crew extends their duty day at the company's request to fly a leg to lga. Expecting the VOR runway 4 and briefing same; ATC issues a clearance for the ILS runway 22 circle to land runway 13. The approach is accomplished successfully although the approach may have been unstabilized and the minimums used were not to company standards.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1207037 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201410 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LGA.Airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737-800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
Due to delays [we] agreed to a duty day extension. Ca was flying. Got hit by static or lightening on descent into lga. Told to expect VOR runway 4 which we briefed and set up for. A short while later told runway 4 was closing (we could blame port authority if we didn't like said the controller) and to expect ILS 22 circle to 13. Barely had enough time to set up and brief this as we were almost on top of the airport. WX was 1900 broken and good vis although we were IMC at 3000 which made us wonder if it really was 1900 broken. There was discussion of da. Chart said 780 but our mins are 1000 so not totally sure what to set but assumed we'd see the runway well above that anyhow. Got runway insight around 1800 or so. Descended to 600 or so before starting to maneuver. The ca asked for help keeping oriented and I did the best I could but was difficult as I was looking cross cockpit out his window. I did say to not go any lower until we turned final and he concurred. I also said to keep turning as it looked like we were close but I might have messed him up as we weren't quite as close as I thought. We overshot final a little and came out a little high. Got a bank angle and sink rate warning but frankly it didn't look that bad and we did [land] in touchdown zone. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact parameters but it might have been a little unstable.I know you think us professional pilots should be able to do any maneuver in any kind of weather at anytime. It's just not the case. We hardly ever circle; let alone at night in marginal VMC to a short runway. The circle wouldn't have been necessary in the first place if operational reality governed operations in nyc approach airspace rather the port authority demands. Fatigue is also a factor. The company shouldn't auto assume these duty extensions. Everyone was go go go. It's hard to be the lone wolf and say no.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 flight crew extends their duty day at the company's request to fly a leg to LGA. Expecting the VOR RWY 4 and briefing same; ATC issues a clearance for the ILS RWY 22 circle to land Runway 13. The approach is accomplished successfully although the approach may have been unstabilized and the minimums used were not to company standards.
Narrative: Due to delays [we] agreed to a duty day extension. CA was flying. Got hit by static or lightening on descent into LGA. Told to expect VOR RWY 4 which we briefed and set up for. A short while later told RWY 4 was closing (we could blame port authority if we didn't like said the controller) and to expect ILS 22 circle to 13. Barely had enough time to set up and brief this as we were almost on top of the airport. WX was 1900 BKN and good vis although we were IMC at 3000 which made us wonder if it really was 1900 BKN. There was discussion of DA. Chart said 780 but our mins are 1000 so not totally sure what to set but assumed we'd see the runway well above that anyhow. Got RWY insight around 1800 or so. Descended to 600 or so before starting to maneuver. The CA asked for help keeping oriented and I did the best I could but was difficult as I was looking cross cockpit out his window. I did say to not go any lower until we turned final and he concurred. I also said to keep turning as it looked like we were close but I might have messed him up as we weren't quite as close as I thought. We overshot final a little and came out a little high. Got a bank angle and sink rate warning but frankly it didn't look that bad and we did [land] in touchdown zone. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact parameters but it might have been a little unstable.I know you think us professional pilots should be able to do any maneuver in any kind of weather at anytime. It's just not the case. We hardly ever circle; let alone at night in marginal VMC to a short runway. The circle wouldn't have been necessary in the first place if operational reality governed operations in NYC approach airspace rather the Port Authority demands. Fatigue is also a factor. The company shouldn't auto assume these duty extensions. Everyone was go go go. It's hard to be the lone wolf and say no.
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