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Attributes | |
ACN | 120785 |
Time | |
Date | 198908 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : san |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4200 |
ASRS Report | 120785 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On approach to san diego int'l lindbergh field, myself and two other air carriers were informed that the runway lights were out on runway 27. We all elected to continue the approach and land. The VASI was operational and I could distinguish the runway 5 mi out. The problem is this. Was it dusk or night. If it was night, then landing was illegal according to the FAA, twilight legal. Since I could plainly see the runway I continued my approach and landed. Now what could occur is the controller who cleared us to land could write the FAA and we could be violated if we landed at night. I, myself, have no problem landing on a runway without runway lights if after shooting an approach I can see a safe landing can be completed. But the FAA has one rule and the airport controling agencies another. If an airport's runways are not legal for an air carrier to land, they need to be closed from the ground, not passed to pilots one minute from landing his aircraft. We make our decision based on conditions and experience. In today's environment, one would need a lawyer riding on the aircraft's jump seat to try and stay totally FAA legal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT CHOSE TO LAND HIS ACFT AT SAN EVEN THOUGH RWY LIGHTS WERE INOPERATIVE.
Narrative: ON APCH TO SAN DIEGO INT'L LINDBERGH FIELD, MYSELF AND TWO OTHER AIR CARRIERS WERE INFORMED THAT THE RWY LIGHTS WERE OUT ON RWY 27. WE ALL ELECTED TO CONTINUE THE APCH AND LAND. THE VASI WAS OPERATIONAL AND I COULD DISTINGUISH THE RWY 5 MI OUT. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. WAS IT DUSK OR NIGHT. IF IT WAS NIGHT, THEN LNDG WAS ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE FAA, TWILIGHT LEGAL. SINCE I COULD PLAINLY SEE THE RWY I CONTINUED MY APCH AND LANDED. NOW WHAT COULD OCCUR IS THE CTLR WHO CLRED US TO LAND COULD WRITE THE FAA AND WE COULD BE VIOLATED IF WE LANDED AT NIGHT. I, MYSELF, HAVE NO PROBLEM LNDG ON A RWY WITHOUT RWY LIGHTS IF AFTER SHOOTING AN APCH I CAN SEE A SAFE LNDG CAN BE COMPLETED. BUT THE FAA HAS ONE RULE AND THE ARPT CTLING AGENCIES ANOTHER. IF AN ARPT'S RWYS ARE NOT LEGAL FOR AN AIR CARRIER TO LAND, THEY NEED TO BE CLOSED FROM THE GND, NOT PASSED TO PLTS ONE MINUTE FROM LNDG HIS ACFT. WE MAKE OUR DECISION BASED ON CONDITIONS AND EXPERIENCE. IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, ONE WOULD NEED A LAWYER RIDING ON THE ACFT'S JUMP SEAT TO TRY AND STAY TOTALLY FAA LEGAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.