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Air carrier large transport flight crew complaint about ARTCC radar controller using identifier for clearance confirmation instead of readback.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 121032 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 121032 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Possibly an ATC test, ZFW, 132.42, giving climb clrncs and asking for 'identify' instead of readback of clearance for confirmation. This is a major breach of safety, as there was no safeguard to assure the clearance was properly understood, or even if the right aircraft had responded. This procedure strips all safety protection by the normal procedure of reading back pertinent information--heading, altitude, etc. Again, a major safety problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT FLT CREW COMPLAINT ABOUT ARTCC RADAR CTLR USING IDENTIFIER FOR CLRNC CONFIRMATION INSTEAD OF READBACK.
Narrative: POSSIBLY AN ATC TEST, ZFW, 132.42, GIVING CLB CLRNCS AND ASKING FOR 'IDENT' INSTEAD OF READBACK OF CLRNC FOR CONFIRMATION. THIS IS A MAJOR BREACH OF SAFETY, AS THERE WAS NO SAFEGUARD TO ASSURE THE CLRNC WAS PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD, OR EVEN IF THE RIGHT ACFT HAD RESPONDED. THIS PROC STRIPS ALL SAFETY PROTECTION BY THE NORMAL PROC OF READING BACK PERTINENT INFO--HDG, ALT, ETC. AGAIN, A MAJOR SAFETY PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.