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Attributes | |
ACN | 121156 |
Time | |
Date | 198908 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : elm |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 121156 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were given a clearance to cross gibbe intersection (26 DME north of elm VOR) at 10000'. The captain read back 10000' to the controller. Just before we were given the clearance, our senior F/a came into the cockpit and started talking. This was at the same time the center controller started giving the clearance. I motioned to the first officer to be quiet. For this reason, I missed the clearance that ZOB gave to us, but I heard the readback given as 10000'. I asked what altitude we were given. The captain said 10000'. Upon reaching 10000', ZOB asked to confirm 11000'. We said we were cleared to 10000', and that we had read back 10000'. The center controller said 10000' was ok, and handed us over to roc approach. 10000 and 11000 sound much the same, and are easy to misunderstand. The controller, if he intended us to descend to 11000', should have corrected our readback of 10000'. Our senior F/a should have knocked before entering the cabin. It is a contributing factor here because of the first officer entering the cabin unannounced. A uniform altitude should be used for handing off traffic from center to approach controllers. 10000 and 11000' altitude deviations occur much too often.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW READBACK, 'DESCEND TO 10000'.' CTLR HAD CLEARED THE FLT TO 11000'.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS GIBBE INTXN (26 DME N OF ELM VOR) AT 10000'. THE CAPT READ BACK 10000' TO THE CTLR. JUST BEFORE WE WERE GIVEN THE CLRNC, OUR SENIOR F/A CAME INTO THE COCKPIT AND STARTED TALKING. THIS WAS AT THE SAME TIME THE CENTER CTLR STARTED GIVING THE CLRNC. I MOTIONED TO THE F/O TO BE QUIET. FOR THIS REASON, I MISSED THE CLRNC THAT ZOB GAVE TO US, BUT I HEARD THE READBACK GIVEN AS 10000'. I ASKED WHAT ALT WE WERE GIVEN. THE CAPT SAID 10000'. UPON REACHING 10000', ZOB ASKED TO CONFIRM 11000'. WE SAID WE WERE CLRED TO 10000', AND THAT WE HAD READ BACK 10000'. THE CENTER CTLR SAID 10000' WAS OK, AND HANDED US OVER TO ROC APCH. 10000 AND 11000 SOUND MUCH THE SAME, AND ARE EASY TO MISUNDERSTAND. THE CTLR, IF HE INTENDED US TO DSND TO 11000', SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED OUR READBACK OF 10000'. OUR SENIOR F/A SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED BEFORE ENTERING THE CABIN. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR HERE BECAUSE OF THE F/O ENTERING THE CABIN UNANNOUNCED. A UNIFORM ALT SHOULD BE USED FOR HANDING OFF TFC FROM CENTER TO APCH CTLRS. 10000 AND 11000' ALT DEVIATIONS OCCUR MUCH TOO OFTEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.