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A newly certified cfii providing time accumulation training to another pilot flew two practice runway 35 ILS approaches to gxy; including course reversal holding patterns at the published 7;000 MSL altitude at and beyond the IAF; i-dci; welds; 14.5 NM south. He was later reminded by another instructor of his proximity to the 7;000 ft intermediate ring floor of the den class B in that vicinity while conducting those reversals.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1213217 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201410 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | D01.TRACON |
| State Reference | CO |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Route In Use | None |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Instructor |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 30 Flight Crew Total 304 Flight Crew Type 105 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | No Specific Anomaly Occurred All Types |
Narrative:
As a very new CFI-I; I was working with one of my first students. Already instrument rated; he needed to build simulated instrument time to meet the 141 requirements for his commercial course. We flew two practice approaches at greeley-weld county (gxy) airport and decided to finish by flying the recently revised ILS/DME rwy 35. We flew the approach as published using the hold-in-lieu of a procedure turn at welds. Later that day; another instructor pointed out how close the new published course reversal is to the 7;000 ft msl shelf around denver's class B airspace. I hadn't realized this and began to analyze the approach we had just flown earlier that day. Because of the slow speed of our skyhawk; I believe the 1-minute legs of our course reversal kept us from an incursion into the class B; but only just.the new approach procedure had been effective for only a few weeks; and while I did take time to familiarize myself with it; I neglected to notice how much further south the new procedure would take us. I have learned a valuable lesson as a new CFI. It is important maintain my situational awareness even if it means sacrificing a teaching moment. I was so focused on teaching the approach that I lost sight of the bigger picture.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A newly certified CFII providing time accumulation training to another pilot flew two practice Runway 35 ILS approaches to GXY; including course reversal holding patterns at the published 7;000 MSL altitude at and beyond the IAF; I-DCI; WELDS; 14.5 NM south. He was later reminded by another instructor of his proximity to the 7;000 FT intermediate ring floor of the DEN Class B in that vicinity while conducting those reversals.
Narrative: As a very new CFI-I; I was working with one of my first students. Already instrument rated; he needed to build simulated instrument time to meet the 141 requirements for his commercial course. We flew two practice approaches at Greeley-Weld County (GXY) airport and decided to finish by flying the recently revised ILS/DME Rwy 35. We flew the approach as published using the hold-in-lieu of a procedure turn at WELDS. Later that day; another instructor pointed out how close the new published course reversal is to the 7;000 FT msl shelf around Denver's class B airspace. I hadn't realized this and began to analyze the approach we had just flown earlier that day. Because of the slow speed of our Skyhawk; I believe the 1-minute legs of our course reversal kept us from an incursion into the class B; but only just.The new approach procedure had been effective for only a few weeks; and while I did take time to familiarize myself with it; I neglected to notice how much further south the new procedure would take us. I have learned a valuable lesson as a new CFI. It is important maintain my situational awareness even if it means sacrificing a teaching moment. I was so focused on teaching the approach that I lost sight of the bigger picture.
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