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Attributes | |
ACN | 1213718 |
Time | |
Date | 201410 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SFO.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | McDonnell Douglas Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | No Specific Anomaly Occurred All Types |
Narrative:
Approach assigned us the quiet bridge visual approach for 28R. We departed archi heading 260 as depicted; and intercepted the 275 course inbound to sfo VOR as depicted. I had entered the radial and we armed the VOR. The autopilot intercepted and flew the inbound radial. The approach page shows altitudes at 20; 15; 10 and 6 DME from sfo VOR; each accompanied with the parenthetical statement '(for class B airspace)'. In my mind; these were only recommended altitudes to keep us above the class B floor; and I did not attempt to hit each one exactly. Approach control gave us at least a couple further descent clearances while on this segment; which seemed to be corresponding to the depicted altitudes. After the ILS glide slope came alive; I followed its descent path fairly closely until intercepting the ILS course inside the san mateo bridge; after which I followed it exactly. The approach resulted in an uneventful landing and rollout with no comments by either approach control; or the tower controller. After the flight; the first officer and I discussed the intent of the quiet bridge visual approach; and it wasn't entirely clear whether the depicted altitudes were merely recommended; or required - and that is what prompted this report.we are very accustomed to IFR STAR's; which specify altitudes as 'at or below;' 'at;' or 'at or above.' although the quiet bridge's status as a visual approach implies pilot discretion with respect to altitudes; it nevertheless specifies an exact track to be followed -- which led us to wonder after the fact if the altitudes were expected and not merely recommended. Perhaps the addition of clarifying words such as 'at' or; 'recommended' would solve this ambiguity (as is done on the jfk parkway visual approach).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: McDonnell Douglas widebody flight crew reports being confused by the altitudes depicted on the Quiet Bridge Visual approach and whether they are manditory or recomended.
Narrative: Approach assigned us the Quiet Bridge Visual approach for 28R. We departed ARCHI heading 260 as depicted; and intercepted the 275 course inbound to SFO VOR as depicted. I had entered the radial and we armed the VOR. The autopilot intercepted and flew the inbound radial. The approach page shows altitudes at 20; 15; 10 and 6 DME from SFO VOR; each accompanied with the parenthetical statement '(For Class B Airspace)'. In my mind; these were only recommended altitudes to keep us above the Class B floor; and I did not attempt to hit each one exactly. Approach control gave us at least a couple further descent clearances while on this segment; which seemed to be corresponding to the depicted altitudes. After the ILS glide slope came alive; I followed its descent path fairly closely until intercepting the ILS course inside the San Mateo Bridge; after which I followed it exactly. The approach resulted in an uneventful landing and rollout with no comments by either Approach Control; or the Tower Controller. After the flight; the First Officer and I discussed the intent of the Quiet Bridge Visual Approach; and it wasn't entirely clear whether the depicted altitudes were merely recommended; or required - and that is what prompted this report.We are very accustomed to IFR STAR's; which specify altitudes as 'at or below;' 'at;' or 'at or above.' Although the Quiet Bridge's status as a visual approach implies pilot discretion with respect to altitudes; it nevertheless specifies an exact track to be followed -- which led us to wonder after the fact if the altitudes were expected and not merely recommended. Perhaps the addition of clarifying words such as 'at' or; 'recommended' would solve this ambiguity (as is done on the JFK Parkway Visual approach).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.