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A B737-800 pilot addressed concern over repeated revisions to stars and late runway assignments by ATC inbound to dfw.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1219495 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201411 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | DFW.Airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737-800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | STAR DEBBB1 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
My sequence for the month of november has included an early morning [leg] to dallas. I've flown it several times and think it warrants a comment. It's about a 40 minute flight. It's usually filed as the seevr RNAV arrival. The pre departure clearance will revise it to '...intercept tul 150/50 and then the seevr. Shortly after takeoff you are given runway heading followed by an ATC reroute to the wilbr arrival. Yesterday after setting FMS up for the wilbr and checking all the crossing restrictions we were given a heading and another ATC reroute to the debbb RNAV arrival. We were parking on the east side of the field with a 55 minute turn. After the debbb was loaded and checked we were given a heading and then turned back in to fawnt. We followed the route but were given different altitudes than the published arrival. Runway assignment was 18R but not given until just short of ncona. Leaving very little time to put the approach in; brief it and make the crossing restriction at phaup which is 250@5000. Very busy with the pilot monitoring basically taken out of the loop with FMC work. This happens every leg? I think we are setting ourselves up for a problem conducting business this way. A brand new captain paired with a new hire is going to have his hands full.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-800 pilot addressed concern over repeated revisions to STARs and late Runway assignments by ATC inbound to DFW.
Narrative: My sequence for the month of November has included an early morning [leg] to Dallas. I've flown it several times and think it warrants a comment. It's about a 40 minute flight. It's usually filed as the SEEVR RNAV Arrival. The PDC will revise it to '...intercept TUL 150/50 and then the SEEVR. Shortly after takeoff you are given runway heading followed by an ATC reroute to the WILBR Arrival. Yesterday after setting FMS up for the WILBR and checking all the crossing restrictions we were given a heading and another ATC reroute to the DEBBB RNAV arrival. We were parking on the east side of the field with a 55 minute turn. After the DEBBB was loaded and checked we were given a heading and then turned back in to FAWNT. We followed the route but were given different altitudes than the published arrival. Runway assignment was 18R but not given until just short of NCONA. Leaving very little time to put the approach in; brief it and make the crossing restriction at PHAUP which is 250@5000. Very busy with the pilot monitoring basically taken out of the loop with FMC work. This happens every leg? I think we are setting ourselves up for a problem conducting business this way. A brand new Captain paired with a new hire is going to have his hands full.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.