Pilot departs hnd airport and assumes he is cleared into the las class bravo because he is under fli...

Narrative:

Departed hnd planning to obtain IFR flight plan when out of las area. When handed off to las departure climbing out on east side down wind departure about 6000 and climbing; stated altitude and climbing to 17.5. Departure said [I] was in their airspace-without clearance; descend below class B airspace. Started immediate descent (rising terrain ahead east of hnd) and asked what altitude to clear airspace. Approach said get your maps out. I continued descent as permitted by terrain. Soon was handed to next controller who said stay below 8000 and call approach on land line when able. My error not expecting to violate class B when handed direct from tower to departure control. I thought the hand off would let departure control know I was coming. I did not know that I needed to get permission to enter the B airspace since I was handed off to departure; thus I expected altitude and vectors to fit in with their traffic. What I got was look it up and stay out of the airspace. I do not know of any conflicting traffic. The second departure controller gave an altitude which was easily complied with. A single pilot finds it more helpful to be advised of an altitude and/or vector to be in compliance with the airspace than 'look it up'. A word from the tower controller that class B airspace overlies the airport and the hand off doesn't give clearance into the class B should help the transient avoid this situation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Pilot departs HND airport and assumes he is cleared into the LAS Class Bravo because he is under flight following. Pilot violates LAS Class Bravo and is told to descend below it by LAS Approach Controller.

Narrative: Departed HND planning to obtain IFR flight plan when out of LAS area. When handed off to LAS Departure climbing out on east side down wind departure about 6000 and climbing; stated altitude and climbing to 17.5. Departure said [I] was in their airspace-without clearance; descend below class B airspace. Started immediate descent (rising terrain ahead East of HND) and asked what altitude to clear airspace. Approach said get your maps out. I continued descent as permitted by terrain. Soon was handed to next controller who said stay below 8000 and call approach on land line when able. My error not expecting to violate class B when handed direct from tower to departure control. I thought the hand off would let departure control know I was coming. I did not know that I needed to get permission to enter the B airspace since I was handed off to departure; thus I expected altitude and vectors to fit in with their traffic. What I got was look it up and stay out of the airspace. I do not know of any conflicting traffic. The second departure controller gave an altitude which was easily complied with. A single pilot finds it more helpful to be advised of an altitude and/or vector to be in compliance with the airspace than 'look it up'. A word from the tower controller that class B airspace overlies the airport and the hand off doesn't give clearance into the class B should help the transient avoid this situation.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	1220163
Time
Date	201411
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	L30.TRACON
State Reference	NV
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Initial Climb
Route In Use	Direct
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Function	Single Pilot
Qualification	Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Events
Anomaly	Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

Pilot departs hnd airport and assumes he is cleared into the las class bravo because he is under flight following. Pilot violates las class bravo and is told to descend below it by las approach controller.