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A crj-900 flight crew inbound to dfw at FL350 was cleared via the jovem RNAV STAR. Shortly after beginning their descent to cross glokk between FL280 & FL240 ATC advised them to stop their descent at FL240 as they had not yet been cleared to descend. During a post flight phone call to ATC it became apparent they had been 'cleared via'; but not yet cleared to 'descend via' the arrival.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1231503 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201501 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZFW.ARTCC |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 900 (CRJ900) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Route In Use | STAR JOVEM1 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
We were originally on the debbb arrival into dfw changed by ATC to the jovem 1 arrival after turki intersection. We were then cleared for the jovem arrival. After turki; we descended via the arrival. Our last assigned altitude before the clearance was fl 350. We were instructed by ATC at 34;600 feet to maintain a new altitude of fl 340 while descending to meet the glokk crossing restriction of fl 240.. While descending into dfw with approach we were then told to contact a number for a possible pilot deviation. The controller when we spoke to him believed we confused cleared for the jovem 1 arrival for descend via the jovem 1 arrival.better coordination between sectors to keep pilot at set flight level prior to clearance for jovem. Literature on various possible RNAV arrival variations on clearances and their meanings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ-900 flight crew inbound to DFW at FL350 was cleared via the JOVEM RNAV STAR. Shortly after beginning their descent to cross GLOKK between FL280 & FL240 ATC advised them to stop their descent at FL240 as they had not yet been cleared to descend. During a post flight phone call to ATC it became apparent they had been 'cleared via'; but not yet cleared to 'descend via' the arrival.
Narrative: We were originally on the DEBBB Arrival into DFW changed by ATC to the JOVEM 1 arrival after TURKI intersection. We were then cleared for the JOVEM arrival. After TURKI; we descended via the arrival. Our last assigned altitude before the clearance was FL 350. We were instructed by ATC at 34;600 feet to maintain a new altitude of FL 340 while descending to meet the GLOKK crossing restriction of FL 240.. While descending into DFW with Approach we were then told to contact a number for a possible pilot deviation. The controller when we spoke to him believed we confused cleared for the JOVEM 1 arrival for descend via the JOVEM 1 arrival.Better coordination between sectors to keep pilot at set flight level prior to clearance for JOVEM. Literature on various possible RNAV arrival variations on clearances and their meanings.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.