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Attributes | |
ACN | 1232228 |
Time | |
Date | 201501 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZSU.ARTCC |
State Reference | PR |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors SID JAAWS9 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
While working R1-R5 positions combined; aircraft X departs sju on a 350 heading climbing to 5;000 ft. As soon as he leaves the sju tower airspace I cleared him direct jaaws to join the JAAWS9 departure. X miles behind the tower sends aircraft Y on the same heading; climbing to 5;000ft. As soon as I have communication with aircraft Y; I stop him at 3;000ft because he climbs much faster than the aircraft X.when I stopped him; aircraft X was still climbing out of 4;000 ft. Within the minute; aircraft Y was less than 3 miles behind aircraft X. Because I stopped his climb; they maintained radar separation. A few months back our LOA with sju tower provided us with 5 miles in trail separation for same headings departures. Even though 3 miles is radar separation approved by the 7110.65; our airspace configuration is a little complicated; there is a lot of crossing traffic even for departures; and we have to provide the center 5 miles in trail separation. We have numerous times asked management to change the LOA back as it was before; but our request have been ignored multiple times.we obviously have a safety issue here. Whether is the LOA or training cpcs at the sju tower. But this situation has happened more than once in less than a week. Clearly something needs to be done. Had I been busy; distracted; frequency failure; they would have lost separation. Either we change the LOA or train cpc's better with aircraft characteristics and radar separation. It took me a few days to complete this report; my password was reset but took a few days to receive email.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZSU Controller reports of saving a loss of separation by using altitude. Tower Controller did not provide enough spacing to allow faster climbing departure following slower climbing departure.
Narrative: While working R1-R5 positions combined; Aircraft X departs SJU on a 350 heading climbing to 5;000 ft. As soon as he leaves the SJU tower airspace I cleared him direct JAAWS to join the JAAWS9 departure. X miles behind the tower sends Aircraft Y on the same heading; climbing to 5;000ft. As soon as I have communication with Aircraft Y; I stop him at 3;000ft because he climbs much faster than the Aircraft X.When I stopped him; Aircraft X was still climbing out of 4;000 ft. Within the minute; Aircraft Y was less than 3 miles behind Aircraft X. Because I stopped his climb; they maintained radar separation. A few months back our LOA with SJU tower provided us with 5 miles in trail separation for same headings departures. Even though 3 miles is radar separation approved by the 7110.65; our airspace configuration is a little complicated; there is a lot of crossing traffic even for departures; and we have to provide the center 5 miles in trail separation. We have numerous times asked management to change the LOA back as it was before; but our request have been ignored multiple times.We obviously have a safety issue here. Whether is the LOA or training CPCs at the SJU tower. But this situation has happened more than once in less than a week. Clearly something needs to be done. Had I been busy; distracted; frequency failure; they would have lost separation. Either we change the LOA or train CPC's better with aircraft characteristics and radar separation. It took me a few days to complete this report; my password was reset but took a few days to receive email.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.