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Attributes | |
ACN | 1232775 |
Time | |
Date | 201501 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | U90.TRACON |
State Reference | AZ |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Fighter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Instructor Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Radar 14 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6.5 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Trainee Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Developmental |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Radar 1.5 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Training in progress; we were working departure; west radar and satellite combined; moderate VFR conditions. Aircraft X eastbound restricted to 10;000 feet with aircraft Y also eastbound climbing above aircraft X. The trainee restricted aircraft X at 10;000 feet; at some point the pilot asked for a block altitude 9000 feet block 10;000 feet; the trainee responded 'I have your request'; it was never approved. The trainee started to fall behind; there was a lot of frequency congestion on multiple frequencies. The amount of traffic and frequency congestion was beyond the trainee's capability so I took the frequencies. Aircraft X was blocked on the frequency at least once but I knew he was restricted below aircraft Y and I had higher priority transmissions. I heard the controller-in-charge (controller in charge) ask what aircraft X was doing; I saw him at 103 and immediately descended him back to 10;000 feet; I gave him the brasher warning. The pilot stated that I didn't answer him so he decided to climb (paraphrasing). I never saw a loss of separation; the closest altitudes were 10;700 feet and 11;700 feet.although this was not a result of a phraseology error; I did review 'on request' phraseology with the trainee. I don't believe the pilot was confused about the altitude restriction. The pilot did not receive a reply from ATC due to frequency congestion and decided to climb. Even if I would have taken control of the position and frequencies sooner; it would not have prevented this situation because I had other higher priorities. I would recommend monthly or quarterly meetings with the squadrons; an exchange of knowledge; rules and restrictions from both sides (pilots and controllers; not office staff or management) would be beneficial.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: U90 Approach Controller describes a confusing reply from his trainee to a pilot. Pilot requested a block altitude; Controller answered 'On request.' Pilot later climbs on his own and separation was lost.
Narrative: Training in progress; we were working departure; west radar and satellite combined; moderate VFR conditions. Aircraft X eastbound restricted to 10;000 feet with Aircraft Y also eastbound climbing above Aircraft X. The trainee restricted Aircraft X at 10;000 feet; at some point the pilot asked for a block altitude 9000 feet block 10;000 feet; the trainee responded 'I have your request'; it was never approved. The trainee started to fall behind; there was a lot of frequency congestion on multiple frequencies. The amount of traffic and frequency congestion was beyond the trainee's capability so I took the frequencies. Aircraft X was blocked on the frequency at least once but I knew he was restricted below Aircraft Y and I had higher priority transmissions. I heard the controller-in-charge (CIC) ask what Aircraft X was doing; I saw him at 103 and immediately descended him back to 10;000 feet; I gave him the brasher warning. The Pilot stated that I didn't answer him so he decided to climb (paraphrasing). I never saw a loss of separation; the closest altitudes were 10;700 feet and 11;700 feet.Although this was not a result of a phraseology error; I did review 'On request' phraseology with the trainee. I don't believe the pilot was confused about the altitude restriction. The pilot did not receive a reply from ATC due to frequency congestion and decided to climb. Even if I would have taken control of the position and frequencies sooner; it would not have prevented this situation because I had other higher priorities. I would recommend monthly or quarterly meetings with the squadrons; an exchange of knowledge; rules and restrictions from both sides (pilots and controllers; not office staff or management) would be beneficial.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.