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Attributes | |
ACN | 1235321 |
Time | |
Date | 201501 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | DFW.Airport |
State Reference | TX |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR SEEVR 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
We were filed and cleared to fly to dfw on the brdje 1 RNAV arrival. At the time dfw was landing south. Before leaving a route-legs check was accomplished including all the airspeeds and altitudes on the brdje 1 arrival. Descending into dfw and after departing seevr; the controller called and asked us to verify that we were on the seevr arrival and I looked down at the pre departure clearance and told the first officer (first officer) to respond that our clearance was on the brdje arrival. The controller then issued instructions to descend to 12;000 feet as quickly as possible and started giving vectors in order to get us down and in sequence to land on runway 17C. After talking through this with the first officer; we realized another controller had told us previously when we were in the descent; that after seevr; to fly the seevr 1. We looked down at the navigation display and saw that we were heading to seevr and wondered why the controller would say that. I wondered if the controller wanted us to descend via the arrival. So the first officer queried the controller and asked if he wanted us to descend via and he said no; just fly the seevr arrival. Seeing the seevr fix on the display; it did not register to either me or the first officer that the controller was; in fact; changing the arrival.I realize that we did not get the message that the controller was changing the arrival from the brdje 1 to the seevr 1. Because the route-legs check had been accomplished back before we left we did not notice that it was a landing north arrival when dfw was landing south. But having said that; this problem started all the way back before we even left the gate.first: we were filed on the BRDJE1 when dfw was landing south. We have seen on so many flights where the dispatcher has filed us on one arrival landing one direction when we know the airport is landing the other direction. Enroute; we hear other flights talking to ft worth center trying to change the arrival enroute and they're told to wait until they get to dfw. Second: we did everything we could to ensure the filed routing was correct in the FMS; including doing an airspeed and altitude check on every fix of the arrival into dfw. Most of the time I tell the first officer that we will check all of those points sometime prior to the actual arrival about 45 minutes to an hour away. That would have more likely allowed us to catch this error. Third: the seevr 1 and the brdje 1 both have the seevr and brdje fixes which from a human factors perspective is just asking for trouble. I think this is an issue that needs to be changed. Fourth: if the controller had said; 'this is a change from the brdje 1 to the seevr 1' we would have more clearly realized what the controller was trying to say. Finally: if we would have taken a closer look at what the controller said to us approaching seevr we may have caught this error. But we did already realize that what the controller had said was slightly odd and we queried if he wanted us to descend via and he said no. We are constantly striving to be extremely vigilant on these new arrivals. Both the first officer and I expressed a desire to not be someone who made an error and despite our best efforts; we just did not catch this. The controller was great and very quick to remedy the situation and get us back where we needed to be.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier crew cleared to SEEVR intersection was confused about their DFW STAR because their arrival changed from the BRDJE 1 RNAV to the SEEVR 1 while enroute and SEEVR is a shared waypoint.
Narrative: We were filed and cleared to fly to DFW on the BRDJE 1 RNAV ARRIVAL. At the time DFW was landing south. Before leaving a ROUTE-LEGS check was accomplished including all the airspeeds and altitudes on the BRDJE 1 ARRIVAL. Descending into DFW and after departing SEEVR; the Controller called and asked us to verify that we were on the SEEVR arrival and I looked down at the PDC and told the First Officer (FO) to respond that our clearance was on the BRDJE arrival. The Controller then issued instructions to descend to 12;000 feet as quickly as possible and started giving vectors in order to get us down and in sequence to land on Runway 17C. After talking through this with the FO; we realized another controller had told us previously when we were in the descent; that after SEEVR; to fly the SEEVR 1. We looked down at the NAV display and saw that we were heading to SEEVR and wondered why the controller would say that. I wondered if the controller wanted us to descend via the arrival. So the FO queried the controller and asked if he wanted us to descend via and he said no; just fly the SEEVR ARRIVAL. Seeing the SEEVR fix on the display; it did not register to either me or the FO that the controller was; in fact; changing the arrival.I realize that we did not get the message that the controller was changing the arrival from the BRDJE 1 to the SEEVR 1. Because the route-legs check had been accomplished back before we left we did not notice that it was a Landing North arrival when DFW was landing south. But having said that; this problem started all the way back before we even left the gate.First: We were filed on the BRDJE1 when DFW was landing south. We have seen on so many flights where the dispatcher has filed us on one arrival landing one direction when we know the airport is landing the other direction. Enroute; we hear other flights talking to FT Worth Center trying to change the arrival enroute and they're told to wait until they get to DFW. Second: We did everything we could to ensure the filed routing was correct in the FMS; including doing an airspeed and altitude check on every fix of the arrival into DFW. Most of the time I tell the FO that we will check all of those points sometime prior to the actual arrival about 45 minutes to an hour away. That would have more likely allowed us to catch this error. Third: The SEEVR 1 and the BRDJE 1 both have the SEEVR and BRDJE fixes which from a human factors perspective is just asking for trouble. I think this is an issue that needs to be changed. Fourth: If the controller had said; 'This is a change from the BRDJE 1 to the SEEVR 1' we would have more clearly realized what the controller was trying to say. Finally: If we would have taken a closer look at what the controller said to us approaching SEEVR we may have caught this error. But we did already realize that what the controller had said was slightly odd and we queried if he wanted us to descend via and he said no. We are constantly striving to be extremely vigilant on these new arrivals. Both the FO and I expressed a desire to not be someone who made an error and despite our best efforts; we just did not catch this. The controller was great and very quick to remedy the situation and get us back where we needed to be.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.