At 25R one aircraft is cleared into position as another air carrier aircraft is on a 1 mile final and is under the impression that he was cleared to land on 25R. Landing aircraft goes around as ground aircraft is just over the hold line.

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Attributes
ACN	123716
Time
Date	198909
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 100
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lax artcc : zjx
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff ground : holding ground other : taxi
Route In Use	departure other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing : go around landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	172316
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : rejected takeoff other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error other
Situations
ATC Facility	other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Air carrier medium large transport Y cleared to land runway 25R. Our widebody transport type cleared for takeoff 25R. A male and female voice had been alternating on 120.95. A female cleared us, air carrier aircraft X, into position on 25R at intersection 8 (the displaced threshold). I moved about 60' (about 3' past stop line) and stopped and queried tower about aircraft Y (about 1 min final) being cleared to land on 25R. Was positively told he was cleared to land on 25L. I replied that he appeared to be lined up for the right. Very shortly thereafter, aircraft Y executed a go around at about 100' over displaced threshold, then notified tower they were going around and were cleared to land on 25R. I was again cleared into position, and as I was stopping, heard a comment from the tower (I believe during apology to aircraft Y) to the effect that training was going on. Increased traffic, shortage of controllers and much controller OJT requires that everyone be very alert. I don't know where the pilots of aircraft Y were during at least 1 1/2 mins of dialogue between the tower and me; I don't believe either one was listening or aware of the situation until the last mins.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AT 25R ONE ACFT IS CLEARED INTO POSITION AS ANOTHER ACR ACFT IS ON A 1 MILE FINAL AND IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS CLEARED TO LAND ON 25R. LNDG ACFT GOES AROUND AS GND ACFT IS JUST OVER THE HOLD LINE.

Narrative: ACR MLG Y CLRED TO LAND RWY 25R. OUR WDB TYPE CLRED FOR TKOF 25R. A MALE AND FEMALE VOICE HAD BEEN ALTERNATING ON 120.95. A FEMALE CLRED US, ACR ACFT X, INTO POS ON 25R AT INTXN 8 (THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD). I MOVED ABOUT 60' (ABOUT 3' PAST STOP LINE) AND STOPPED AND QUERIED TWR ABOUT ACFT Y (ABOUT 1 MIN FINAL) BEING CLRED TO LAND ON 25R. WAS POSITIVELY TOLD HE WAS CLRED TO LAND ON 25L. I REPLIED THAT HE APPEARED TO BE LINED UP FOR THE RIGHT. VERY SHORTLY THEREAFTER, ACFT Y EXECUTED A GAR AT ABOUT 100' OVER DISPLACED THRESHOLD, THEN NOTIFIED TWR THEY WERE GOING AROUND AND WERE CLRED TO LAND ON 25R. I WAS AGAIN CLRED INTO POS, AND AS I WAS STOPPING, HEARD A COMMENT FROM THE TWR (I BELIEVE DURING APOLOGY TO ACFT Y) TO THE EFFECT THAT TRNING WAS GOING ON. INCREASED TFC, SHORTAGE OF CTLRS AND MUCH CTLR OJT REQUIRES THAT EVERYONE BE VERY ALERT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLTS OF ACFT Y WERE DURING AT LEAST 1 1/2 MINS OF DIALOGUE BTWN THE TWR AND ME; I DON'T BELIEVE EITHER ONE WAS LISTENING OR AWARE OF THE SITUATION UNTIL THE LAST MINS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.