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Attributes | |
ACN | 1244086 |
Time | |
Date | 201502 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Parked |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Because of inbound connecting passengers from mmun; our msp flight was delayed per [operations]/customer service. Customer service said we had to have brake released by xa:35. I inquired with crew scheduling as to why the xa:35 and what that time was based on? I never got a firm answer why that was our go or no go time other than it was for [far] 117 legalities. Just prior to boarding while walking from the back of the airplane to the front; I looked outside and noticed frost on our spoiler panels. I called crew scheduling and spoke with mr. X. I advised mr. X that we would need to add 20 to our flight time as we would need to deice. I asked if that effected our brake release time or would we be ok. He asked why we needed to deice and said [operations] would like to know why we were the only flight needing to deice and informed me that no one else was on the pad. I advised him that the airplane was frosting up since it had been sitting for over an hour at this point in time. When did it become ok for crew scheduling to question a captain's authority about a safety of flight item such as deicing a frosted airplane? Additionally; my very experienced first officer (first officer) agreed with my decision to deice as well as a company dead heading captain. And; the release had remarks; 800 pounds extra fuel for [possible] deicing delays. Leave the flight crew alone when it comes to safety and operational concerns.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An A319 Flight Crew was running behind schedule and was given a break release time in compliance with FAR Part 117. The Captain then noticed frost on the wings. He called crew scheduling to advise them. The Scheduler wanted to know why he needed to be de-iced when other departures were not being de-iced.
Narrative: Because of inbound connecting passengers from MMUN; our MSP flight was delayed per [Operations]/Customer Service. Customer Service said we had to have brake released by XA:35. I inquired with Crew Scheduling as to why the XA:35 and what that time was based on? I never got a firm answer why that was our go or no go time other than it was for [FAR] 117 legalities. Just prior to boarding while walking from the back of the airplane to the front; I looked outside and noticed frost on our spoiler panels. I called Crew Scheduling and spoke with Mr. X. I advised Mr. X that we would need to add 20 to our flight time as we would need to deice. I asked if that effected our brake release time or would we be OK. He asked why we needed to deice and said [Operations] would like to know why we were the only flight needing to deice and informed me that no one else was on the pad. I advised him that the airplane was frosting up since it had been sitting for over an hour at this point in time. When did it become OK for crew scheduling to question a captain's authority about a safety of flight item such as deicing a frosted airplane? Additionally; my very experienced First Officer (FO) agreed with my decision to deice as well as a company dead heading captain. And; the release had remarks; 800 pounds extra fuel for [possible] deicing delays. Leave the flight crew alone when it comes to safety and operational concerns.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.