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Attributes | |
ACN | 1251776 |
Time | |
Date | 201504 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | IND.TRACON |
State Reference | IN |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport Low Wing 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 1 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Here at ind we have straight in fixes to every runway; which at times of peak traffic makes running the feed to final very difficult and can cause the final to be strung out father than needed. These 2 aircraft were straight in to 23's talking to the frb feeder position (combined with frd). The controller flashed the aircraft as soon as he started their descent and; as is custom; I took radar as soon and I saw them flashing. Apparently he descended aircraft Y to 7;000 feet on the localizer for 23L and aircraft X to 8;000 feet on the localizer for 23R at the same time with no paper stop. Aircraft Y dogged the descent reaching 8;000 feet; but he had switched aircraft X to me already. The flm told frb to stop aircraft X at 9;000 feet and upon learning of the frequency change instructed me to do the same; but he was on neither frequency. When aircraft Y checked on I issued traffic and got the pilot to maintain visual separation; but separation was already well below minima. Aircraft X finally checked in and and was too high for the approach and had to be resequenced into the downwind. My manager told me to issue the brasher warning due to his lengthy time off frequency. Neither controller was offered a break after the separation loss due to low staffing and high traffic.final four weekend in indy brings a lot of extra traffic; over 200 extra GA's just to the big airport. We should have started off with enough staffing to split the feeds (which was done an hour later) instead of having to call in overtime and wait for them to show up. My feeder should have at least been offered a break; instead he was there for another hour and was totally gun shy with the straight in props and tried to get 'creative' causing me to work even harder since people were nose to nose on my downwind to avoid the straight in arrival. Being more proactive with calling ZID to set up miles in trail and perhaps a slower speed over the straight in fix before they got within the last sector would also have alleviated the complexity.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IND Controller and pilots of violating aircraft report of confusion while flying into IND. Controller states pilots were late in checking in which lead to a separation loss also caused by the previous controller not coordinating correctly. Pilots do not know they were late in communicating and thought the problem was with another aircraft they had an RA on.
Narrative: Here at IND we have straight in fixes to every runway; which at times of peak traffic makes running the feed to final very difficult and can cause the final to be strung out father than needed. These 2 aircraft were straight in to 23's talking to the FRB feeder position (combined with FRD). The controller flashed the aircraft as soon as he started their descent and; as is custom; I took radar as soon and I saw them flashing. Apparently he descended Aircraft Y to 7;000 Feet on the LOC for 23L and Aircraft X to 8;000 Feet on the LOC for 23R at the same time with no paper stop. Aircraft Y dogged the descent reaching 8;000 Feet; but he had switched Aircraft X to me already. The FLM told FRB to stop Aircraft X at 9;000 Feet and upon learning of the frequency change instructed me to do the same; but he was on neither frequency. When Aircraft Y checked on I issued traffic and got the pilot to maintain visual separation; but separation was already well below minima. Aircraft X finally checked in and and was too high for the approach and had to be resequenced into the downwind. My manager told me to issue the Brasher warning due to his lengthy time off frequency. Neither controller was offered a break after the separation loss due to low staffing and high traffic.Final Four weekend in INDY brings a lot of extra traffic; over 200 extra GA's just to the big airport. We should have started off with enough staffing to split the feeds (which was done an hour later) instead of having to call in overtime and wait for them to show up. My feeder should have at least been offered a break; instead he was there for another hour and was totally gun shy with the straight in props and tried to get 'creative' causing me to work even harder since people were nose to nose on my downwind to avoid the straight in arrival. Being more proactive with calling ZID to set up miles in trail and perhaps a slower speed over the straight in fix before they got within the last sector would also have alleviated the complexity.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.