PA28 flight instructor is informed after landing that a second PA28 was over flown on final during a...

Attributes
ACN	1253913
Time
Date	201504
Local Time Of Day	0001-0600
Place
Locale Reference	ZZZ.Airport
State Reference	US
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	PA-28R Cherokee Arrow All Series
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Final Approach
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Final Approach
Person 1
Function	Instructor Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 200 Flight Crew Total 4000 Flight Crew Type 500
Events
Anomaly	Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy
Miss Distance	Horizontal 0 Vertical 150

Narrative:

During late evening; we were conducting a commercial training flight; in the traffic pattern; performing takeoffs and landings. The student was performing a second 180 precision approach to landing. On the downwind leg to runway 6; student performed gumps (landing mental checklist) at the midfield position and continued to ensure area was clear along with myself. During the previous maneuver; we had heard the other aircraft call turning 'crosswind' for runway 6 and heard no further radio calls from the 2nd aircraft. As we arrived abeam the landing point; I continued to scan the base leg area and final leg area and did not see the other aircraft or hear any radio calls announcing the 'base or final leg' for his landing. The student began the maneuver by reducing engine power to idle; began the turn and made his radio call; 'turning base to final; simulated engine out'. We still had no visual sight of the 2nd aircraft and heard no radio call that it was on final. Upon landing; the 2nd aircraft stated we had passed over him which culminated in the 2nd aircraft performing a 'go-around' maneuver. We terminated the training flight and discussed what had happened and how this type of event could be prevented in the future. It was agreed upon; that when performing this maneuver; to ask over the radio if any aircraft is on final approach to the runway before beginning the maneuver.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PA28 Flight Instructor is informed after landing that a second PA28 was over flown on final during a practice engine out approach. CTAF procedures were in effect and both aircraft had radios.

Narrative: During late evening; we were conducting a commercial training flight; in the traffic pattern; performing takeoffs and landings. The student was performing a second 180 precision approach to landing. On the downwind leg to Runway 6; student performed GUMPS (landing mental checklist) at the midfield position and continued to ensure area was clear along with myself. During the previous maneuver; we had heard the other aircraft call turning 'crosswind' for runway 6 and heard no further radio calls from the 2nd aircraft. As we arrived abeam the landing point; I continued to scan the base leg area and final leg area and did not see the other aircraft or hear any radio calls announcing the 'base or final leg' for his landing. The student began the maneuver by reducing engine power to idle; began the turn and made his radio call; 'turning base to final; simulated engine out'. We still had no visual sight of the 2nd aircraft and heard no radio call that it was on final. Upon landing; the 2nd aircraft stated we had passed over him which culminated in the 2nd aircraft performing a 'go-around' maneuver. We terminated the training flight and discussed what had happened and how this type of event could be prevented in the future. It was agreed upon; that when performing this maneuver; to ask over the radio if any aircraft is on final approach to the runway before beginning the maneuver.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

PA28 flight instructor is informed after landing that a second PA28 was over flown on final during a practice engine out approach. CTAF procedures were in effect and both aircraft had radios.