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Attributes | |
ACN | 1264562 |
Time | |
Date | 201505 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 129 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 26 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was on approach to 25L at 3;200 feet following aircraft Y at 1;000 feet 5.6 miles ahead. I asked aircraft X: traffic 12 o'clock; 5.5 miles a heavy airbus do you have it in sight?' aircraft X said he did. I told aircraft X to 'follow the heavy airbus to the same runway; cleared visual approach runway 25L; caution wake turbulence.' aircraft X responded cleared visual approach. I corrected him saying 'follow the heavy airbus; cleared visual approach runway 25L.' aircraft X responded 'check the wake turbulence' or something to that effect. By the time I could have responded again; aircraft X was 4.9 miles in trail. Aircraft X subsequently landed without incident.the frequency discipline of pilots have really degraded in the last few years. Apparently; the ability to read back a clearance is something that is not stressed in training; nor followed up by the airlines. I cannot tell you how many times I encounter a situation; in particular one involving wake turbulence; where the pilot sees the preceding aircraft; but does not read back the clearance as issued; thereby invalidating the wake turbulence separation and leading the controller into a loss of separation. It is important that pilots read back clearances exactly how we state them. That is why we use standard phraseology. This needs to be stressed vehemently to the pilots through their associations and companies. It may be a point of semantics; but words are the tools of communication and ATC and without their correct usage; controllers are at a distinct disadvantage; if not totally impotent.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A Southern California TRACON (SCT) Controller reports of read back that was a caused an operational error. The pilot did not read back key words and because of this the Controller is charged with a loss of separation.
Narrative: Aircraft X was on approach to 25L at 3;200 feet following Aircraft Y at 1;000 feet 5.6 miles ahead. I asked Aircraft X: Traffic 12 o'clock; 5.5 miles a heavy Airbus do you have it in sight?' Aircraft X said he did. I told Aircraft X to 'Follow the heavy airbus to the same runway; cleared visual approach Runway 25L; caution wake turbulence.' Aircraft X responded cleared visual approach. I corrected him saying 'Follow the heavy airbus; cleared visual approach Runway 25L.' Aircraft X responded 'Check the wake turbulence' or something to that effect. By the time I could have responded again; Aircraft X was 4.9 miles in trail. Aircraft X subsequently landed without incident.The frequency discipline of pilots have really degraded in the last few years. Apparently; the ability to read back a clearance is something that is not stressed in training; nor followed up by the airlines. I cannot tell you how many times I encounter a situation; in particular one involving wake turbulence; where the pilot sees the preceding aircraft; but does not read back the clearance as issued; thereby invalidating the wake turbulence separation and leading the controller into a loss of separation. It is important that pilots read back clearances exactly how we state them. That is why we use standard phraseology. This needs to be stressed vehemently to the pilots through their associations and companies. It may be a point of semantics; but words are the tools of communication and ATC and without their correct usage; controllers are at a distinct disadvantage; if not totally impotent.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.