B767-300 flight crew reports being cleared to pass abeam CCC at 12000 feet and 250 knots and cross r...

Attributes
ACN	1276524
Time
Date	201507
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	JFK.Airport
State Reference	NY
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	B767-300 and 300 ER
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	Descent
Route In Use	STAR PARCH1
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Enroute
Qualification	Air Traffic Control Fully Certified
Experience	Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 22
Person 2
Function	Pilot Flying Captain
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance

Narrative:

Pilot was cleared direct to the rober intersection (17 NM southwest of CCC) and issued a crossing restriction 15 NM northeast of rober at 12;000 and 250 KTS. The pilot read back was complete and correct. The PARCH1 STAR shows an expected altitude of rober at 9;000. The pilot descended thru 12;000. At 11;500 was re-cleared to maintain 12;000. The pilot stated the he 'needed to be rober at 9;000 feet.'retrain flight crews or change STAR expected altitudes to clear show that they are not assigned; but expected; altitudes. This is a by-product of descend via clearances. Maybe all stars should be named in a way that separates those with a descend via and those without; i.e. Stars that include a descend via should be changed from stars to pdtars (profile descent terminal arrival routes).

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B767-300 Flight Crew reports being cleared to pass abeam CCC at 12000 feet and 250 knots and cross ROBER at 9000 feet. The ZBW Controller involved believes the clearance was to expect ROBER at 9000 feet and sends the crew back up to 12000 feet.

Narrative: Pilot was cleared direct to the ROBER intersection (17 NM SW of CCC) and issued a crossing restriction 15 NM NE of ROBER at 12;000 and 250 KTS. The pilot read back was complete and correct. The PARCH1 STAR shows an expected altitude of ROBER at 9;000. The pilot descended thru 12;000. At 11;500 was re-cleared to maintain 12;000. The pilot stated the he 'needed to be ROBER at 9;000 feet.'Retrain flight crews or change STAR expected altitudes to clear show that they are not assigned; but expected; altitudes. This is a by-product of DESCEND VIA clearances. Maybe all STARs should be named in a way that separates those with a DESCEND VIA and those without; i.e. STARs that include a DESCEND VIA should be changed from STARs to PDTARs (Profile Descent Terminal Arrival Routes).

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B767-300 flight crew reports being cleared to pass abeam CCC at 12000 feet and 250 knots and cross rober at 9000 feet. The ZBW controller involved believes the clearance was to expect rober at 9000 feet and sends the crew back up to 12000 feet.