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Attributes | |
ACN | 1278958 |
Time | |
Date | 201507 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PSP.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
We were in psp. The airport is going through runway construction; 13R/31L; 13L/31R; and taxiway charlie are all affected. We were on a quick turn where another aircraft was broken and just deplaned. The gate agents filled up our plane with as many from the other flight as they could. We were about 10 minutes late off the gate. We were taxing out to 31L. The controllers instructions were B; west; a runway 31L. We started both engines on the ramp due to the relative short taxi and the unfamiliar construction on the normal runway 13R/31L which is now located on taxiway charlie. As we approached taxiway a; we were ready to depart. I noticed the construction but anticipated the hold short line would be on the other side of the old 31L; now under construction. I did not even notice the hold short lines on the southwest side of the runway under construction. We taxied across the old runway and as we were coming up to the new 31L we both noticed that the runway was right there and coming up fast. Tower at that point called us and cleared us for takeoff. There was a GA plane about two miles out cleared for a low approach; practice instrument approach. We took off and before the tower handed us to socal departure he asked us to take a number and call the tower after we landed. After arriving I called psp tower and talked to the controller. He told me that we did have a runway incursion and asked me what happened. I explained that I missed the hold short lines of the normal runway completely and I had anticipated them being just before the active runway. We talked about the plane on approach and that when the controller saw us said 'oh shoot' and decided to clear us for takeoff. ATC said that they had enough separation between the two aircraft. He also said that on the ATIS was a remark about the hold short lines being in their original place; before the runway under construction. He said that it would be handled by qa and probably a deviation. I talked the event over with my first officer (first officer) and we both never noticed the hold short lines. We talked about being much more vigilant. I brought up the part about the ATIS and he remarked that 'you know; we only listen to the parts that we need and tune out the rest.' we discussed that in-depth about how important the remarks are. I had been caught on the other side of that before; another story; years ago. Being he got the ATIS and the clearance; I did not hear the remarks. This was a case of me anticipating where the lines should be and not noticing where they really were. On another note with the runways moved; the ACARS do not recognize the runway. Upon arrival we use the cards but when we went to depart we could not bring up the weight and balance or the V speeds. I had my first officer start a paper weight and balance and I called dispatch to inform them for other crews. He explained to me that for the ACARS to work you had to load '31L temp' for the runway. It was not on the release and not in any memo or email that I have seen. This is another argument for 10-7. If someone has pertinent information to a flight it needs to be disseminated to the crews; especially the ones flying to that airport. For the incursion; I will be more vigilant and asked more questions about any construction or taxiway closers. I do suggest that the company put out a short memo or email explaining the changes to psp runways and taxiways including a diagram of where the hold short lines are. They are not depicted on the airport diagrams. Even a note on the release to make the pilots aware of the changes. I have been flying to psp for 15 years and am very familiar with the airport. This may have caused me not to be as cautious I would probably be at an airport that I was not so accustomed to. I will not let that happen again. Also I have notice many fos neglect to write down the remarks; taxiway closers; runway closers; LLWS; etc. This needs to be instilled in the pilots' heads(not just the first officer's) the importance of the remarks.on the other note with the ACARS; this is information that the pilots need. A 10-7; memo; email; on the release; whatever it takes. When you are punching in numbers in the ACARS at push time and you now realize that you have to do a written weight and balance; it adds that much more pressure to the crew. If we had the information from the start things run smoother.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier flight crew report a runway incursion and other operational considerations at PSP due to runway construction.
Narrative: We were in PSP. The airport is going through runway construction; 13R/31L; 13L/31R; and taxiway Charlie are all affected. We were on a quick turn where another aircraft was broken and just deplaned. The gate agents filled up our plane with as many from the other flight as they could. We were about 10 minutes late off the gate. We were taxing out to 31L. The controllers instructions were B; W; A runway 31L. We started both engines on the ramp due to the relative short taxi and the unfamiliar construction on the normal runway 13R/31L which is now located on taxiway Charlie. As we approached Taxiway A; we were ready to depart. I noticed the construction but anticipated the hold short line would be on the other side of the old 31L; now under construction. I did not even notice the hold short lines on the SW side of the runway under construction. We taxied across the old runway and as we were coming up to the new 31L we both noticed that the runway was right there and coming up fast. Tower at that point called us and cleared us for takeoff. There was a GA plane about two miles out cleared for a low approach; practice Instrument Approach. We took off and before the tower handed us to SoCAL departure he asked us to take a number and call the tower after we landed. After arriving I called PSP tower and talked to the Controller. He told me that we did have a runway incursion and asked me what happened. I explained that I Missed the hold short lines of the normal runway completely and I had anticipated them being just before the active runway. We talked about the plane on approach and that when the controller saw us said 'OH SHOOT' and decided to clear us for takeoff. ATC said that they had enough separation between the two aircraft. He also said that on the ATIS was a remark about the hold short lines being in their original place; before the runway under construction. He said that it would be handled by QA and probably a deviation. I talked the event over with my First Officer (FO) and we both never noticed the hold short lines. We talked about being much more vigilant. I brought up the part about the ATIS and he remarked that 'you know; we only listen to the parts that we need and tune out the rest.' We discussed that in-depth about how important the remarks are. I had been caught on the other side of that before; another story; years ago. Being he got the ATIS and the clearance; I did not hear the remarks. This was a case of me anticipating where the lines should be and not noticing where they really were. On another note with the runways moved; the ACARS do not recognize the runway. Upon arrival we use the cards but when we went to depart we could not bring up the weight and balance or the V speeds. I had my FO start a paper weight and balance and I called dispatch to inform them for other crews. He explained to me that for the ACARS to work you had to load '31L temp' for the runway. It was not on the release and not in any memo or email that I have seen. This is another argument for 10-7. If someone has pertinent information to a flight it needs to be disseminated to the crews; especially the ones flying to that airport. For the incursion; I will be more vigilant and asked more questions about any construction or taxiway closers. I do suggest that the company put out a short memo or email explaining the changes to PSP runways and taxiways including a diagram of where the hold short lines are. They are not depicted on the airport diagrams. Even a note on the release to make the pilots aware of the changes. I have been flying to PSP for 15 years and am very familiar with the airport. This may have caused me not to be as cautious I would probably be at an airport that I was not so accustomed to. I will not let that happen again. Also I have notice MANY FOs neglect to write down the remarks; taxiway closers; runway closers; LLWS; etc. This needs to be instilled in the pilots' heads(not just the FO's) the importance of the remarks.On the other note with the ACARS; this is information that the pilots NEED. A 10-7; memo; email; on the release; whatever it takes. When you are punching in numbers in the ACARS at push time and you now realize that you have to do a written weight and balance; it adds that much more pressure to the crew. If we had the information from the start things run smoother.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.