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Attributes | |
ACN | 128085 |
Time | |
Date | 198911 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 32000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 128085 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 7600 flight time type : 25 |
ASRS Report | 128202 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Taking off on runway 36 at dca, we were expecting a vector turn to intercept the dca 328 radial, since visibility didn't permit a visual river departure. Upon going over to departure control, we were finally given vectors around a prohibited area, however, said vectors were given at the last minute and hopefully in time to avoid said prohibited area. In my opinion, tower should give a heading, or clarified instructions, when taking off from such a restrictive airport, particularly when WX conditions do not permit a visual departure and visual avoidance with prohibited areas. Unfortunately departure control frequency was totally congested, thus adding to the confusion and lack of clearance clarification.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT WAS CONFUSED AFTER DEP AS TO WHAT HEADING HE SHOULD FLY.
Narrative: TAKING OFF ON RWY 36 AT DCA, WE WERE EXPECTING A VECTOR TURN TO INTERCEPT THE DCA 328 RADIAL, SINCE VISIBILITY DIDN'T PERMIT A VISUAL RIVER DEP. UPON GOING OVER TO DEP CTL, WE WERE FINALLY GIVEN VECTORS AROUND A PROHIBITED AREA, HOWEVER, SAID VECTORS WERE GIVEN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND HOPEFULLY IN TIME TO AVOID SAID PROHIBITED AREA. IN MY OPINION, TWR SHOULD GIVE A HDG, OR CLARIFIED INSTRUCTIONS, WHEN TAKING OFF FROM SUCH A RESTRICTIVE ARPT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WX CONDITIONS DO NOT PERMIT A VISUAL DEP AND VISUAL AVOIDANCE WITH PROHIBITED AREAS. UNFORTUNATELY DEP CTL FREQ WAS TOTALLY CONGESTED, THUS ADDING TO THE CONFUSION AND LACK OF CLRNC CLARIFICATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.