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Close proximity air carrier-large transport in position for takeoff and air carrier-large transport on short final.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 128216 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198911 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ind |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 128126 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 128211 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We taxied to runway 23R and were holding on parallel taxiway bravo, waiting for landing traffic. We sat there for about 4 or 5 mins because we were holding short and we were all done with checklists. I told the tower, 'air carrier X can take an immediate.' somebody was about 100' in the air crossing the threshold. The controller cleared us into position and told us to be prepared for immediate. We put ourselves right into position and we were on the end of the runway ready to go before air carrier Y had put his nose wheel on the ground. No sooner did the airplane that had landed in front of us start to clear at a high speed than the controller sent air carrier Z around. What bothered me was that he said, 'air carrier X, continue holding short.' I immediately corrected him and said, 'negative, we are in position--that was the clearance you gave us, and that's where we are.' he said, 'roger, continue holding.' I don't want them saying we taxied into position contrary to our clearance, and that's the reason they sent air carrier Z around, because that's not true.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-LGT IN POSITION FOR TKOF AND ACR-LGT ON SHORT FINAL.
Narrative: WE TAXIED TO RWY 23R AND WERE HOLDING ON PARALLEL TXWY BRAVO, WAITING FOR LNDG TFC. WE SAT THERE FOR ABOUT 4 OR 5 MINS BECAUSE WE WERE HOLDING SHORT AND WE WERE ALL DONE WITH CHKLISTS. I TOLD THE TWR, 'ACR X CAN TAKE AN IMMEDIATE.' SOMEBODY WAS ABOUT 100' IN THE AIR XING THE THRESHOLD. THE CTLR CLRED US INTO POS AND TOLD US TO BE PREPARED FOR IMMEDIATE. WE PUT OURSELVES RIGHT INTO POS AND WE WERE ON THE END OF THE RWY READY TO GO BEFORE ACR Y HAD PUT HIS NOSE WHEEL ON THE GND. NO SOONER DID THE AIRPLANE THAT HAD LANDED IN FRONT OF US START TO CLR AT A HIGH SPD THAN THE CTLR SENT ACR Z AROUND. WHAT BOTHERED ME WAS THAT HE SAID, 'ACR X, CONTINUE HOLDING SHORT.' I IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED HIM AND SAID, 'NEGATIVE, WE ARE IN POS--THAT WAS THE CLRNC YOU GAVE US, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.' HE SAID, 'ROGER, CONTINUE HOLDING.' I DON'T WANT THEM SAYING WE TAXIED INTO POS CONTRARY TO OUR CLRNC, AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY SENT ACR Z AROUND, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TRUE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.