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Attributes | |
ACN | 1291204 |
Time | |
Date | 201508 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZBW.ARTCC |
State Reference | NH |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Dash 8-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural FAR Inflight Event / Encounter VFR In IMC Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
We were on frequency with boston center just a minute or so north of the lemor intersection at 6;000 when we experienced two ras of different severities. The first; center asked if we had traffic to our right in sight; and we did briefly until going into the clouds. He suggested 20 degrees right for traffic; which I queried; as that would send us directly into the traffic. He confirmed; so we turned; thinking he had the bigger picture and had positive control over the other aircraft. This gave us a descend RA; which we complied with; until it was clear of conflict. We informed ATC and then returned to our original altitude. At 6;000 feet; just past lemor; we saw a rapidly climbing target on our TCAS from below on a direct course with our aircraft. We asked ATC about it and he was busy and said 'he just popped up.' at the time; we were IMC in the clouds and has negative contact on that aircraft. When the target was 300 feet below us; a mile or less directly in front of us; the RA directed us to descend. Immediately followed it; then realized that would send us into the offending traffic and then evasively banked to the right and initiated a climb. As soon as I initiated this maneuver; the TCAS (while zoomed into 6 miles as well) indicates the target as same altitude and same location. His target was spot on the middle of the TCAS. This was all done in the clouds with a VFR target. We once again informed ATC and continued on our way after recovering safely. I requested a number from approach and called them after the flight. I spoke to a very nice gentleman who explained to me that it's a known issue. The offending airplane was a [skydive service aircraft]. This aircraft has 900hp and a 4 bladed prop; so it climbs like a rocket through the clouds and the airways. He let me know that unfortunately nothing can be done about it; and recommended I talk to [the] quality control supervisor. We had a constructive conversation regarding the incidents and both agreed that; unfortunately; the only regulation broken was the VFR caravan flying into the clouds. That however; would be my word vs the skydive pilot and that would go nowhere. [I was provided] with the radar tracks and the closest separation is as follows:6;000 feet; 1.39 miles horizontal; 100 feet vertical; then 1.04 and 100; then 'less than a mile' 100 vertical. Fortunately TCAS saved us on the first one and a solid flight crew and good CRM saved 47 lives on the dash and a dozen on the skydive plane.skydive planes shouldn't be allowed to climb through clouds; through airways; and drop skydivers through them. It's extremely dangerous and will eventually cause an accident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A Dash 8 Captain reported an airborne conflict with a skydive service aircraft that was climbing VFR through clouds.
Narrative: We were on frequency with Boston Center just a minute or so north of the LEMOR intersection at 6;000 when we experienced two RAs of different severities. The first; Center asked if we had traffic to our right in sight; and we did briefly until going into the clouds. He suggested 20 degrees right for traffic; which I queried; as that would send us directly into the traffic. He confirmed; so we turned; thinking he had the bigger picture and had positive control over the other aircraft. This gave us a descend RA; which we complied with; until it was clear of conflict. We informed ATC and then returned to our original altitude. At 6;000 feet; just past LEMOR; we saw a rapidly climbing target on our TCAS from below on a direct course with our aircraft. We asked ATC about it and he was busy and said 'he just popped up.' At the time; we were IMC in the clouds and has negative contact on that aircraft. When the target was 300 feet below us; a mile or less directly in front of us; the RA directed us to descend. Immediately followed it; then realized that would send us into the offending traffic and then evasively banked to the right and initiated a climb. As soon as I initiated this maneuver; the TCAS (while zoomed into 6 miles as well) indicates the target as same altitude and same location. His target was spot on the middle of the TCAS. This was all done in the clouds with a VFR target. We once again informed ATC and continued on our way after recovering safely. I requested a number from Approach and called them after the flight. I spoke to a very nice gentleman who explained to me that it's a known issue. The offending airplane was a [skydive service aircraft]. This aircraft has 900hp and a 4 bladed prop; so it climbs like a rocket through the clouds and the airways. He let me know that unfortunately nothing can be done about it; and recommended I talk to [the] Quality Control Supervisor. We had a constructive conversation regarding the incidents and both agreed that; unfortunately; the only regulation broken was the VFR Caravan flying into the clouds. That however; would be my word vs the skydive pilot and that would go nowhere. [I was provided] with the radar tracks and the closest separation is as follows:6;000 feet; 1.39 miles horizontal; 100 feet vertical; then 1.04 and 100; then 'less than a mile' 100 vertical. Fortunately TCAS saved us on the first one and a solid flight crew and good CRM saved 47 lives on the Dash and a dozen on the skydive plane.Skydive planes shouldn't be allowed to climb through clouds; through airways; and drop skydivers through them. It's extremely dangerous and will eventually cause an accident.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.