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Attributes | |
ACN | 1305429 |
Time | |
Date | 201510 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 175 Flight Crew Type 11000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Sector xx verbally pointed out aircraft X at FL370 eastbound; crossing 30 miles west at 310. There was no traffic for aircraft X at this time. Aircraft had been deviating around undepicted precipitation all evening; which led to increased workload. The adjacent center flashed aircraft Y; FL340 westbound deviating left ZZZ VOR when able; to sector yy which caused conflict alert to go off between aircraft Y and aircraft X . At this time; aircraft X was out of FL360 descending to 310. I turned aircraft Y 30 left to get some lateral space between them and to keep aircraft Y from turning back on course. The two aircraft were more or less opposite direction; heads up. I thought I heard the sector xx controller say he was no longer talking to aircraft X because zz already had the handoff; so I called sector zz to ask if aircraft X was maintaining FL350. They said FL350 approved; and I responded saying that I wasn't talking to the aircraft and asked if they were. They said negative. I immediately got off the line; saw aircraft X leaving FL355 so I descended aircraft Y to FL320. Both aircraft started down at a good rate of descent. The sector xx controller yelled over saying that he was using altitude to separate the two aircraft. I told aircraft Y to maintain FL340; however; the aircraft showed FL335 and said they were already at FL320; apparently having expedited in the descent. I reissued another climb to maintain FL330. All this occurred while the sector xx controller was issuing an increased rate of 3000 feet per minute descent to aircraft X to get below aircraft Y. We were both unaware of the other's control actions as there was no coordination between the two of us. I think this occurred because of my inexperience and the lack of coordination between myself and the sector xx controller. Had I plan view displayed (pvdd) aircraft Y to sector xx as soon as I could before the two aircraft flashed and referenced the traffic; it would have been a non issue. Also; had the sector xx controller made it clear to me what was happening with aircraft X and that he was indeed working the aircraft; I would have only issued the vector to the south and not descended aircraft Y. My actions were taken on the presumption of sector xx no longer talking to the aircraft; which does not make much sense considering I had called the other center to verify control actions were being taken to separate the traffic and they said they were not talking to aircraft X . I should have realized that sector xx had communications with aircraft X and trusted the controller's experience. Encourage land line coordination as that probably would have kept the entire situation from happening. I should have called sector xx to verify actions were being taken to separate the aircraft; but I did not because hearing the sector xx controller say/yell something confused the situation. Had one of us used a landline when the conflict alert went off; there would not have been a loss.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A high altitude Controller reported becoming confused about communications and control of two aircraft transitioning between adjacent Centers as one aircraft began descending into the path of another aircraft neither Center was communicating with. An inexperienced Controller was a factor.
Narrative: Sector XX verbally pointed out Aircraft X at FL370 eastbound; crossing 30 miles west at 310. There was no traffic for Aircraft X at this time. Aircraft had been deviating around undepicted precipitation all evening; which led to increased workload. The adjacent center flashed Aircraft Y; FL340 westbound deviating left ZZZ VOR when able; to sector YY which caused conflict alert to go off between aircraft Y and aircraft X . At this time; aircraft X was out of FL360 descending to 310. I turned aircraft Y 30 left to get some lateral space between them and to keep aircraft Y from turning back on course. The two aircraft were more or less opposite direction; heads up. I thought I heard the sector XX controller say he was no longer talking to aircraft X because ZZ already had the handoff; so I called sector ZZ to ask if aircraft X was maintaining FL350. They said FL350 approved; and I responded saying that I wasn't talking to the aircraft and asked if they were. They said negative. I immediately got off the line; saw aircraft X leaving FL355 so I descended aircraft Y to FL320. Both aircraft started down at a good rate of descent. The sector XX controller yelled over saying that he was using altitude to separate the two aircraft. I told aircraft Y to maintain FL340; however; the aircraft showed FL335 and said they were already at FL320; apparently having expedited in the descent. I reissued another climb to maintain FL330. All this occurred while the sector XX controller was issuing an increased rate of 3000 feet per minute descent to aircraft X to get below aircraft Y. We were both unaware of the other's control actions as there was no coordination between the two of us. I think this occurred because of my inexperience and the lack of coordination between myself and the sector XX controller. Had I Plan View Displayed (PVDd) aircraft Y to sector XX as soon as I could before the two aircraft flashed and referenced the traffic; it would have been a non issue. Also; had the sector XX controller made it clear to me what was happening with aircraft X and that he was indeed working the aircraft; I would have only issued the vector to the south and not descended aircraft Y. My actions were taken on the presumption of sector XX no longer talking to the aircraft; which does not make much sense considering I had called the other center to verify control actions were being taken to separate the traffic and they said they were not talking to aircraft X . I should have realized that sector XX had communications with aircraft X and trusted the controller's experience. Encourage land line coordination as that probably would have kept the entire situation from happening. I should have called sector XX to verify actions were being taken to separate the aircraft; but I did not because hearing the sector XX controller say/yell something confused the situation. Had one of us used a landline when the conflict alert went off; there would not have been a loss.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.