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Attributes | |
ACN | 1308808 |
Time | |
Date | 201511 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | A80.TRACON |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 323 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 204 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
Captain was the pilot flying (PF) and first officer was the pilot monitoring. We were told by the final approach controller: 'maintain 5000 feet until jaajj; cleared for the ILS prm runway 8L and maintain 180 knots until the marker'. Between jaajj and bazar and at 4000 feet MSL; the PF called for landing gear down and flaps 15 followed shortly thereafter by flaps 30 and slowed to final approach speed (148 knots). After passing bazar; the tower controller told us to maintain 180 knots until the marker. At that time; the PF sped up to only 158 knots; so as not to overspeed the flaps. Just prior to the marker (schel); the tower controller cancelled our approach clearance; told us to turn 20 degrees left and climb to 4000 feet. When switching back to the approach controller; he asked us if there was a reason why we slowed early and didn't maintain 180 knots to the marker. I (PF) responded with 'nope'. The PF thought that fom/aom procedures say we have to be fully configured and on speed by the marker and that atl's clearance would have him violating that. I tried to tell him that's not procedure anymore and we just have to be stabilized at 1000 feet. However; I didn't feel like that was the appropriate time to discuss who was right; so I didn't do anything to try and make him speed up. I knew it wasn't safety related other than company who was originally five miles behind and losing that spacing. I knew how strict atl is with speed control due to the numerous rbfs and safety bulletins put out about this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: While on the ATL ILS Precision Runway Monitor to Runway 8L; the Captain did not maintain the assigned speed to the outer marker so was instructed to go around just prior to the outer marker.
Narrative: Captain was the Pilot Flying (PF) and First Officer was the Pilot Monitoring. We were told by the Final Approach Controller: 'Maintain 5000 feet until JAAJJ; cleared for the ILS PRM Runway 8L and maintain 180 knots until the marker'. Between JAAJJ and BAZAR and at 4000 feet MSL; the PF called for Landing Gear down and flaps 15 followed shortly thereafter by flaps 30 and slowed to final approach speed (148 knots). After passing BAZAR; the Tower Controller told us to maintain 180 knots until the marker. At that time; the PF sped up to only 158 knots; so as not to overspeed the flaps. Just prior to the marker (SCHEL); the Tower Controller cancelled our approach clearance; told us to turn 20 degrees left and climb to 4000 feet. When switching back to the Approach Controller; he asked us if there was a reason why we slowed early and didn't maintain 180 knots to the marker. I (PF) responded with 'Nope'. The PF thought that FOM/AOM procedures say we have to be fully configured and on speed by the marker and that ATL's clearance would have him violating that. I tried to tell him that's not procedure anymore and we just have to be stabilized at 1000 feet. However; I didn't feel like that was the appropriate time to discuss who was right; so I didn't do anything to try and make him speed up. I knew it wasn't safety related other than Company who was originally five miles behind and losing that spacing. I knew how strict ATL is with speed control due to the numerous RBFs and safety bulletins put out about this.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.