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Attributes | |
ACN | 133724 |
Time | |
Date | 199001 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 133724 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The trip so far for the last 2 days had been an first officer's nightmare. For some reason the captain and I did not get along and it seemed that when it was my leg he would not communicate very well to me and when I would ask him a question he would yell at me or when it was my leg it was almost a one-man operation on my part with little or no help from the captain. While flying from rno to lax, la approach told us to depart santa monica VOR heading 070 for the stadium visual approach to 24R. At about 7 mi out northeast of the VOR on 070 degree heading the controller asked us to start our base leg which we did. The wind was out of the northwest and took us slightly thru the localizer to 24R. I continued my turn around to about a 275 degree heading to intercept the localizer which was set in on my side. At this point the captain started to ask me where I was going, I told him I was correcting to the right back on course. I wasn't but about a 1/2 DOT left of course. At that point he repeatedly started to ask me if I had the runway in sight at which point I said I didn't. It was at this point that the captain grabbed the control wheel and said 'give me the plane' and immediately turned left from a 275 degree heading to about a 220 degree heading and put down the gear and flaps and started to descend. I looked out of my window and saw that he was heading to the wrong runway (runway 25L). I also looked for conflicting traffic since they were shooting visuals to 24R and 25L. I also told the captain that he was going to the wrong runway and that we were now full scale deflection on my localizer to 24R, but he would not listen to me. I told him a 2ND time but to no avail. The tower then said twice that it appeared we were lined up with runway 25 and to turn 20 degree right for 24. It was at this point the captain remarked 'oh XXXX' and turned the airplane. We were now at about 600' AGL, he asked me if I wanted the plane back to try and salvage the approach and landing. I told him that he took the airplane, you fly the airplane and we would talk about this on the ground. Once on the ground he said he was sorry and started to make excuses for his ineptness. I told him that I did not like the way the cockpit was being run, there was tension so thick you could cut it with a knife and that in the interest of safety I would get off the trip. He said there was no reason for that. The rest of the trip never did get any better, in fact, it was so bad that on the last leg of the 4TH day, I just told him to fly, 'cause I couldn't do anything to please him and things only went smooth when he flew. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: I have talked with our professional standards people and made a full report to them. I do not know, they did not reveal to me, if they had any other reports on this captain. I do not feel he is particularly deficient in flying skills but is careless about conforming to operations manual that refers to checklist use.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RWY ALIGNMENT WAS OVERSHOT BY FO ON VISUAL APCH TO LAX. CAPT TOOK OVER ACFT ALIGNED WITH WRONG RWY.
Narrative: THE TRIP SO FAR FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS HAD BEEN AN F/O'S NIGHTMARE. FOR SOME REASON THE CAPT AND I DID NOT GET ALONG AND IT SEEMED THAT WHEN IT WAS MY LEG HE WOULD NOT COMMUNICATE VERY WELL TO ME AND WHEN I WOULD ASK HIM A QUESTION HE WOULD YELL AT ME OR WHEN IT WAS MY LEG IT WAS ALMOST A ONE-MAN OPERATION ON MY PART WITH LITTLE OR NO HELP FROM THE CAPT. WHILE FLYING FROM RNO TO LAX, LA APCH TOLD US TO DEPART SANTA MONICA VOR HDG 070 FOR THE STADIUM VISUAL APCH TO 24R. AT ABOUT 7 MI OUT NE OF THE VOR ON 070 DEG HDG THE CTLR ASKED US TO START OUR BASE LEG WHICH WE DID. THE WIND WAS OUT OF THE NW AND TOOK US SLIGHTLY THRU THE LOC TO 24R. I CONTINUED MY TURN AROUND TO ABOUT A 275 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT THE LOC WHICH WAS SET IN ON MY SIDE. AT THIS POINT THE CAPT STARTED TO ASK ME WHERE I WAS GOING, I TOLD HIM I WAS CORRECTING TO THE RIGHT BACK ON COURSE. I WASN'T BUT ABOUT A 1/2 DOT LEFT OF COURSE. AT THAT POINT HE REPEATEDLY STARTED TO ASK ME IF I HAD THE RWY IN SIGHT AT WHICH POINT I SAID I DIDN'T. IT WAS AT THIS POINT THAT THE CAPT GRABBED THE CONTROL WHEEL AND SAID 'GIVE ME THE PLANE' AND IMMEDIATELY TURNED LEFT FROM A 275 DEG HDG TO ABOUT A 220 DEG HDG AND PUT DOWN THE GEAR AND FLAPS AND STARTED TO DSND. I LOOKED OUT OF MY WINDOW AND SAW THAT HE WAS HDG TO THE WRONG RWY (RWY 25L). I ALSO LOOKED FOR CONFLICTING TFC SINCE THEY WERE SHOOTING VISUALS TO 24R AND 25L. I ALSO TOLD THE CAPT THAT HE WAS GOING TO THE WRONG RWY AND THAT WE WERE NOW FULL SCALE DEFLECTION ON MY LOC TO 24R, BUT HE WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ME. I TOLD HIM A 2ND TIME BUT TO NO AVAIL. THE TWR THEN SAID TWICE THAT IT APPEARED WE WERE LINED UP WITH RWY 25 AND TO TURN 20 DEG RIGHT FOR 24. IT WAS AT THIS POINT THE CAPT REMARKED 'OH XXXX' AND TURNED THE AIRPLANE. WE WERE NOW AT ABOUT 600' AGL, HE ASKED ME IF I WANTED THE PLANE BACK TO TRY AND SALVAGE THE APCH AND LNDG. I TOLD HIM THAT HE TOOK THE AIRPLANE, YOU FLY THE AIRPLANE AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE GND. ONCE ON THE GND HE SAID HE WAS SORRY AND STARTED TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIS INEPTNESS. I TOLD HIM THAT I DID NOT LIKE THE WAY THE COCKPIT WAS BEING RUN, THERE WAS TENSION SO THICK YOU COULD CUT IT WITH A KNIFE AND THAT IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY I WOULD GET OFF THE TRIP. HE SAID THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THAT. THE REST OF THE TRIP NEVER DID GET ANY BETTER, IN FACT, IT WAS SO BAD THAT ON THE LAST LEG OF THE 4TH DAY, I JUST TOLD HIM TO FLY, 'CAUSE I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO PLEASE HIM AND THINGS ONLY WENT SMOOTH WHEN HE FLEW. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: I HAVE TALKED WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS PEOPLE AND MADE A FULL REPORT TO THEM. I DO NOT KNOW, THEY DID NOT REVEAL TO ME, IF THEY HAD ANY OTHER REPORTS ON THIS CAPT. I DO NOT FEEL HE IS PARTICULARLY DEFICIENT IN FLYING SKILLS BUT IS CARELESS ABOUT CONFORMING TO OPS MANUAL THAT REFERS TO CHECKLIST USE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.