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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1339008 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201603 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | CLE.Tower |
| State Reference | OH |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft Low Wing 1 Eng Retractable Gear |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Departure Approach |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 1 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Cgf tower called for IFR release on aircraft X. I issued release with a right turn heading 100. As I began a position relief briefing; cgf tower called for another IFR release on aircraft Y. I issued 'visual separation approved between aircraft X and aircraft Y; aircraft Y released heading 210.' as a tower controller myself; I believed that cgf tower would let aircraft X run out for a couple of miles and then release aircraft Y with a turn off the deck inside of aircraft X and maintain tower visual until divergence was established. What cgf tower did was keep aircraft Y on runway heading for nearly 5 miles. The controller who relieved me called to cgf tower to ask them to leave aircraft Y on runway heading. During the call cgf tower informed the relieving controller that aircraft Y was in the turn. I don't recall the relieving controller's response. Aircraft X and aircraft Y's targets merged about 7 mile east of cgf at 030. Aircraft Y checked on to the frequency as the targets were merged saying that he had aircraft X in sight. I don't know at what point aircraft Y got aircraft X in sight or what the cgf tower controllers actions were while aircraft Y was on their frequency. I don't know how to prevent this from happening again. The cgf tower controller and I obviously had very different ideas about how visual separation would be used in this operation. It is possible that aircraft Y had aircraft X in sight before the cgf tower controller turned aircraft Y off of runway heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLE Controller reported of a situation where he was not sure as to what type of separation the Tower was using. Controller reported thinking that the Tower would do what he was thinking; but did not. Aircraft had the other in sight but reporter did not know when this visual separation had happened.
Narrative: CGF tower called for IFR release on Aircraft X. I issued release with a right turn heading 100. As I began a position relief briefing; CGF tower called for another IFR release on Aircraft Y. I issued 'visual separation approved between Aircraft X and Aircraft Y; Aircraft Y released heading 210.' As a tower controller myself; I believed that CGF tower would let Aircraft X run out for a couple of miles and then release Aircraft Y with a turn off the deck inside of Aircraft X and maintain tower visual until divergence was established. What CGF tower did was keep Aircraft Y on runway heading for nearly 5 miles. The controller who relieved me called to CGF tower to ask them to leave Aircraft Y on runway heading. During the call CGF tower informed the relieving controller that Aircraft Y was in the turn. I don't recall the relieving controller's response. Aircraft X and Aircraft Y's targets merged about 7 mile east of CGF at 030. Aircraft Y checked on to the frequency as the targets were merged saying that he had Aircraft X in sight. I don't know at what point Aircraft Y got Aircraft X in sight or what the CGF tower controllers actions were while Aircraft Y was on their frequency. I don't know how to prevent this from happening again. The CGF tower controller and I obviously had very different ideas about how visual separation would be used in this operation. It is possible that Aircraft Y had Aircraft X in sight before the CGF tower controller turned Aircraft Y off of runway heading.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.