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Captain of large transport air carrier misses crossing restriction on arrival into ewr, even though the first officer repeatedly warned the captain that his descent rate was too slow.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 134313 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199001 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bwz airport : ewr |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7700 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 134313 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 134587 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Discussed with captain, prior to slate run (start of arrival), how there was a tendency on this arrival for center to hold you high and then expect you to meet the various crossing restrictions. He thanked me for the information. First crossing restriction met, then given 'cross sweet at 7000'' at a reasonable distance. Captain slowed descent rate. At 10 mi prior to fix captain was passing 10500' and just slowing down from 300+ KTS. Advised him that we had 10 mi to go. He extended the speed brakes, slowed to 250 KTS and continued descent. At about 8500' and 4 mi to go, he retracted them. I advised him again of crossing restriction, which he rogered. We received a turn just before sweet and crossed it passing 7700', with a further descent to 6000' assigned. Short of hitting the captain up the side of the head with a manual or physically wrestling the aircraft from him, there was not anything left to do. Supplemental information from acn 134587: was told to cross sweet at 7000'. Crossed at 7800' despite 2 warnings by first officer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF LGT ACR MISSES CROSSING RESTRICTION ON ARR INTO EWR, EVEN THOUGH THE FO REPEATEDLY WARNED THE CAPT THAT HIS DESCENT RATE WAS TOO SLOW.
Narrative: DISCUSSED WITH CAPT, PRIOR TO SLATE RUN (START OF ARR), HOW THERE WAS A TENDENCY ON THIS ARR FOR CENTER TO HOLD YOU HIGH AND THEN EXPECT YOU TO MEET THE VARIOUS XING RESTRICTIONS. HE THANKED ME FOR THE INFO. FIRST XING RESTRICTION MET, THEN GIVEN 'CROSS SWEET AT 7000'' AT A REASONABLE DISTANCE. CAPT SLOWED DSCNT RATE. AT 10 MI PRIOR TO FIX CAPT WAS PASSING 10500' AND JUST SLOWING DOWN FROM 300+ KTS. ADVISED HIM THAT WE HAD 10 MI TO GO. HE EXTENDED THE SPD BRAKES, SLOWED TO 250 KTS AND CONTINUED DSCNT. AT ABOUT 8500' AND 4 MI TO GO, HE RETRACTED THEM. I ADVISED HIM AGAIN OF XING RESTRICTION, WHICH HE ROGERED. WE RECEIVED A TURN JUST BEFORE SWEET AND CROSSED IT PASSING 7700', WITH A FURTHER DSCNT TO 6000' ASSIGNED. SHORT OF HITTING THE CAPT UP THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WITH A MANUAL OR PHYSICALLY WRESTLING THE ACFT FROM HIM, THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING LEFT TO DO. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 134587: WAS TOLD TO CROSS SWEET AT 7000'. CROSSED AT 7800' DESPITE 2 WARNINGS BY F/O.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.