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Attributes | |
ACN | 1374177 |
Time | |
Date | 201607 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 4 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Relief Pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Ground Incursion Taxiway |
Narrative:
We were held at the ramp due to an aircraft [another heavy type] scheduled to depart ahead. This is because of the lax required wing clearance between [a heavy aircraft like ours and a similar heavy type] departing on 25L. We received push back instructions which we had to clarify due to some confusion over the controllers instructions (tail east or west; runway 25L only for [our] captain thought he heard them assign runway 25R). The controller asked us to push onto a and not block taxiway G. However; it is impossible for a [large] aircraft to push back onto a without blocking G for a period of time. We told the controller we would push onto a and have the push crew pull us forward of G. It should be noted that I briefed this as a threat prior to push-back. Upon push back aircraft Z landing on 25L decided to exit at G when we were mid push and the controller wanted us to stop push back and pull forward; however; the push crew said there was not adequate wing clearance now because aircraft Z's nose was now on a as well. We told the controller we asked our ramp crew to pull forward; however; they said it was unsafe to do so and we would push further west on a to let aircraft Z pass. The controller agreed. Because aircraft Z blocked 25L; taxiway G; and taxiway a another aircraft was forced to go around. This is a continued safety issue in lax because as stated above it is impossible to not block G from when pushing on a in a [large aircraft]. The controller could have held us on the gate until aircraft Z cleared. Also I believe there should be some education on the part of lax ground controllers as to how much effort it takes to move a 300;000+ KG aircraft while under tow. [Our large aircraft type] takes a lot more time to start as well which bothers the controllers due to the fact we end up blocking one or more taxiways during prolonged push-back and starts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Two Air carrier First Officers reported being pushed back onto Taxiway G which they were told to avoid by Ground Control at LAX. This results in an aircraft landing Runway 25L being unable to exit at G causing a go-around.
Narrative: We were held at the ramp due to an Aircraft [another Heavy type] scheduled to depart ahead. This is because of the LAX required wing clearance between [a heavy aircraft like ours and a similar Heavy type] departing on 25L. We received push back instructions which we had to clarify due to some confusion over the controllers instructions (tail east or west; Runway 25L only for [our] Captain thought he heard them assign Runway 25R). The controller asked us to push onto A and not block taxiway G. However; it is impossible for a [large] Aircraft to push back onto A without blocking G for a period of time. We told the controller we would push onto A and have the push crew pull us forward of G. It should be noted that I briefed this as a threat prior to push-back. Upon push back Aircraft Z landing on 25L decided to exit at G when we were mid push and the controller wanted us to stop push back and pull forward; however; the push crew said there was not adequate wing clearance now because Aircraft Z's nose was now on A as well. We told the controller we asked our ramp crew to pull forward; however; they said it was unsafe to do so and we would push further west on A to let Aircraft Z pass. The controller agreed. Because Aircraft Z blocked 25L; taxiway G; and taxiway A another aircraft was forced to go around. This is a continued safety issue in LAX because as stated above it is impossible to not block G from when pushing on A in a [large aircraft]. The controller could have held us on the gate until Aircraft Z cleared. Also I believe there should be some education on the part of LAX ground controllers as to how much effort it takes to move a 300;000+ KG aircraft while under tow. [Our large aircraft type] takes a lot more time to start as well which bothers the controllers due to the fact we end up blocking one or more taxiways during prolonged push-back and starts.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.