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Attributes | |
ACN | 137823 |
Time | |
Date | 199002 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rdu |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tracon : rdu |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : zdc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 480 |
ASRS Report | 137823 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 137663 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
This incident occurred on the brade arrival into raleigh durham airport. The high altitude controller gave us a crossing restriction over brade intersection. I heard it to be at 10000 and 250 KTS. To the best of my recollection, I read it back as such. The expect clearance over brade is published to cross at 11000 and 250 KTS. I did notice this at the time, but failed to clarify this ambiguity. When handed off to the low sector controller, I reported in giving my altitude at 18000 descending to 10000. This statement was backed up by both the first officer and F/east. After reaching 10000 the error was recognized and I was told to climb back to 11000. There was a short discussion about who was right and who was wrong. Fortunately there were no other aircraft to conflict with us. Another aircraft following us, broke into our conversation and stated that they were given a clearance to cross brade at 10000 and 250 which they challenged and were given a revised clearance to cross at 11000 and 250 KTS. This incident points out the necessity to be ever diligent by both pilots and controllers to listen carefully to readbacks and verify published data.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRNC MISINTERP CREATES AN ALT DEVIATION.
Narrative: THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED ON THE BRADE ARR INTO RALEIGH DURHAM ARPT. THE HIGH ALT CTLR GAVE US A XING RESTRICTION OVER BRADE INTXN. I HEARD IT TO BE AT 10000 AND 250 KTS. TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, I READ IT BACK AS SUCH. THE EXPECT CLRNC OVER BRADE IS PUBLISHED TO CROSS AT 11000 AND 250 KTS. I DID NOTICE THIS AT THE TIME, BUT FAILED TO CLARIFY THIS AMBIGUITY. WHEN HANDED OFF TO THE LOW SECTOR CTLR, I REPORTED IN GIVING MY ALT AT 18000 DESCENDING TO 10000. THIS STATEMENT WAS BACKED UP BY BOTH THE F/O AND F/E. AFTER REACHING 10000 THE ERROR WAS RECOGNIZED AND I WAS TOLD TO CLIMB BACK TO 11000. THERE WAS A SHORT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS WRONG. FORTUNATELY THERE WERE NO OTHER ACFT TO CONFLICT WITH US. ANOTHER ACFT FOLLOWING US, BROKE INTO OUR CONVERSATION AND STATED THAT THEY WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS BRADE AT 10000 AND 250 WHICH THEY CHALLENGED AND WERE GIVEN A REVISED CLRNC TO CROSS AT 11000 AND 250 KTS. THIS INCIDENT POINTS OUT THE NECESSITY TO BE EVER DILIGENT BY BOTH PLTS AND CTLRS TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO READBACKS AND VERIFY PUBLISHED DATA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.