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Attributes | |
ACN | 138037 |
Time | |
Date | 199002 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : gvo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 138037 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On our descent to ksba from FL390 ZLA asked us (light transport X) to level at 9000 MSL. He called traffic at 10 O'clock, an light transport Y on top at 10.5 MSL had you in sight will maintain visual with you. We were looking, 'not in sight'. A few moments later we saw traffic at short range. Both aircraft took evasive action by making steep left turns. The pilot from the light transport Y then apologized (admitting guilt) about the close call. My feeling is the pilots in the Y never had us in sight, possibly they were looking at another aircraft. I feel that during these 'maintain visual separation' situations with only 1 aircraft having the other in sight, puts the second aircraft in jeopardy. I can only recommend that this practice be safe if both aircraft have each other in sight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BIZJET, IFR, HAS NMAC WITH COMMUTER LTT, VFR.
Narrative: ON OUR DSCNT TO KSBA FROM FL390 ZLA ASKED US (LTT X) TO LEVEL AT 9000 MSL. HE CALLED TFC AT 10 O'CLOCK, AN LTT Y ON TOP AT 10.5 MSL HAD YOU IN SIGHT WILL MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH YOU. WE WERE LOOKING, 'NOT IN SIGHT'. A FEW MOMENTS LATER WE SAW TFC AT SHORT RANGE. BOTH ACFT TOOK EVASIVE ACTION BY MAKING STEEP LEFT TURNS. THE PLT FROM THE LTT Y THEN APOLOGIZED (ADMITTING GUILT) ABOUT THE CLOSE CALL. MY FEELING IS THE PLTS IN THE Y NEVER HAD US IN SIGHT, POSSIBLY THEY WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER ACFT. I FEEL THAT DURING THESE 'MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION' SITUATIONS WITH ONLY 1 ACFT HAVING THE OTHER IN SIGHT, PUTS THE SECOND ACFT IN JEOPARDY. I CAN ONLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS PRACTICE BE SAFE IF BOTH ACFT HAVE EACH OTHER IN SIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.