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Attributes | |
ACN | 138456 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lib |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tracon : fwa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 20 |
ASRS Report | 138456 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
2 air carrier jets needed to be put behind air carrier X widebody transport for spacing to ewr first I had to adjust their speeds then vector, then both to the northwest (340 degrees) to go behind an air carrier crossing from left to right, then fit them in behind air carrier X. Light transport Y was well in front of and crossing the lib 056 degree right when the vectoring of the air carrier jets was taking place. Air carrier X caught light transport Y before he was clear of J208 (lib 056 degree right). Excessive vectors required for en route spacing 350 mi from destination create hazardous situations for controllers. Separation must share its importance with en route spacing. No overtime allowed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION FROM LTT Y. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: 2 ACR JETS NEEDED TO BE PUT BEHIND ACR X WDB FOR SPACING TO EWR FIRST I HAD TO ADJUST THEIR SPDS THEN VECTOR, THEN BOTH TO THE NW (340 DEGS) TO GO BEHIND AN ACR XING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THEN FIT THEM IN BEHIND ACR X. LTT Y WAS WELL IN FRONT OF AND XING THE LIB 056 DEG R WHEN THE VECTORING OF THE ACR JETS WAS TAKING PLACE. ACR X CAUGHT LTT Y BEFORE HE WAS CLR OF J208 (LIB 056 DEG R). EXCESSIVE VECTORS REQUIRED FOR ENRTE SPACING 350 MI FROM DEST CREATE HAZARDOUS SITUATIONS FOR CTLRS. SEPARATION MUST SHARE ITS IMPORTANCE WITH ENRTE SPACING. NO OVERTIME ALLOWED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.