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Attributes | |
ACN | 1397226 |
Time | |
Date | 201610 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | HHR.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Beechcraft King Air Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Other Los Angeles SFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 108 Flight Crew Total 4671 Flight Crew Type 1980 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict Airborne Conflict |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 3000 Vertical 100 |
Narrative:
Departing runway 25 at hhr airport; we received our routine IFR clearance instruction to turn left heading 205 and to climb and maintain 3;000 feet. After taking off runway 25; we complied with our initial turn & climb; and prior to handoff from hhr tower to socal departure; tower adivsed us of traffic at 3;100 feet that was exiting the los angeles bravo special flight rules. I; the PIC; checked in with socal departure and advised them that the aforementioned traffic was in-sight as the TCAS RA activated. Shortly after checking-in; and before socal TRACON (sct) had a chance to give us a new vector; we elected to turn left; to avoid the traffic; on a southerly heading as we were traveling much faster than the other aircraft. With the traffic now behind us; sct vectored us to a 090 heading and to 'climb and maintain 6;000 - reference that traffic.' as we roll out on a 090 heading and initiate the climb to 6;000 feet; the aircraft TCAS activated a second RA. Confused because in our minds the traffic was now well behind us; we complied with the RA. Only then we realized that the second RA had been activated due to a completely different traffic (coming from the west); that was coming at a nearly head-on path towards us. Shortly thereafter; sct gave us a turn to the northwest; and 'direct lax VOR.' at this point; we were clear of all traffic. We experienced 2 ras; from two different aircraft within a minute or so shortly after being IFR released and during initial climb out of hhr.it appears to me that sct should not have released us out of hhr at that time. With traffic exiting the los angeles special flight rules south of the lax complex; our initial climb and heading put us very near that busy VFR corridor/route. Also; it seems to me that some momentary confusion; loss of situational awareness or maybe task saturation caused ATC to give us a 090 heading that was in apparent direct conflict with a second VFR traffic coming from the west. Socal is a busy airspace and looking outside the window is the only sure way to avoid traffic during VMC days; even when on an IFR flight plan. However; IFR departure releases should never be rushed to the point where loss of separation could become an issue.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE300 Captain reported receiving two RAs while departing HHR from separate aircraft. The pilot believes he should not have been IFR released with traffic in the area.
Narrative: Departing Runway 25 at HHR airport; we received our routine IFR clearance instruction to turn left heading 205 and to climb and maintain 3;000 feet. After taking off Runway 25; we complied with our initial turn & climb; and prior to handoff from HHR TWR to SoCal Departure; TWR adivsed us of traffic at 3;100 feet that was exiting the Los Angeles Bravo Special Flight Rules. I; the PIC; checked in with SoCal Departure and advised them that the aforementioned traffic was in-sight as the TCAS RA activated. Shortly after checking-in; and before SoCal TRACON (SCT) had a chance to give us a new vector; we elected to turn left; to avoid the traffic; on a southerly heading as we were traveling much faster than the other aircraft. With the traffic now behind us; SCT vectored us to a 090 heading and to 'climb and maintain 6;000 - reference that traffic.' As we roll out on a 090 heading and initiate the climb to 6;000 feet; the aircraft TCAS activated a second RA. Confused because in our minds the traffic was now well behind us; we complied with the RA. Only then we realized that the second RA had been activated due to a completely different traffic (coming from the west); that was coming at a nearly head-on path towards us. Shortly thereafter; SCT gave us a turn to the NW; and 'direct LAX VOR.' At this point; we were clear of all traffic. We experienced 2 RAs; from two different aircraft within a minute or so shortly after being IFR released and during initial climb out of HHR.It appears to me that SCT should not have released us out of HHR at that time. With traffic exiting the Los Angeles Special Flight Rules south of the LAX complex; our initial climb and heading put us very near that busy VFR corridor/route. Also; it seems to me that some momentary confusion; loss of situational awareness or maybe task saturation caused ATC to give us a 090 heading that was in apparent direct conflict with a second VFR traffic coming from the West. SoCal is a busy airspace and looking outside the window is the only sure way to avoid traffic during VMC days; even when on an IFR flight plan. However; IFR departure releases should never be rushed to the point where loss of separation could become an issue.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.