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Attributes | |
ACN | 1400622 |
Time | |
Date | 201611 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SKBO.Airport |
State Reference | FO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Parked |
Route In Use | SID EJA6 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 210 Flight Crew Total 17000 Flight Crew Type 2770 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Background: due to the construction on runway 13L at skbo; departures are using runway 13R and the EJA6A departure. While reviewing the dispatch release; I noticed that instead of the usual terrain solution we receive on departure from runway 13L and the ZIP2H departure; we had a [different] solution. The prior to plan was to return to skbo (departure airport). The [other terrain] plan was to proceed to [transition] then skbq (on the northern coast of columbia approximately 375nm flight from M2-1). After terrain was not a factor. Issue: [original terrain solution] is located on the initial departure segment from skbo just prior to soa VOR. The single engine procedure from skbo 10-7C has an immediate course reversal prior to the turn to the leg from kolmu to soa. Prior to [original terrain solution] past kolmu; the [new] solution suggests return to skbo. From [original terrain solution] and on it suggests terrain clearance is assured if the flight proceeds [original terrain solution] to [new solution] then skbq. 'Between [original terrain solution] and [new solution] 1ENG out cont on course to [new solution]; then proceed direct to skbq'. While this may produce the legal weight needed to takeoff from bogota; no experienced bogota pilot is going to divert somewhere other than bogota; far past [original terrain solution].bulletin xx-xx contains a statement that this information is for dispatch and planning purposes only; and in the event of an actual engine failure the captain is expected to proceed to the nearest suitable airport in point of time; at which a safe approach and landing can be made. This is the crux of the issue. Actual points are being published in the flight plan with a statement that is non-ambiguous 'between [original terrain solution] and [new solution] 1ENG out cont on course to [new solution]; then proceed direct to skbq'. In a soft labeled paragraph with no hint of caution warning or other heads up that this is a dispatch fantasy plan and not real guidance. In bogota; this [original terrain solution] to [new solution] guidance gives the captain the impression there is real terrain danger that could prohibit the aircraft from being able to return to bogota; when a return to bogota would certainly be the safest course of action far beyond [[original terrain solution].for two 'ace of the base' pilots; this is a no brainer. For two good pilots who are having a bad day; after having just spent 33 hours in an oxygen deprived environment; this could be the perfect noose to help them make a very bad decision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier Captain commented about engine out procedures at Bogota (SKBO); a high altitude airport in mountainous terrain.
Narrative: Background: Due to the construction on Runway 13L at SKBO; departures are using Runway 13R and the EJA6A departure. While reviewing the dispatch release; I noticed that instead of the usual terrain solution we receive on departure from Runway 13L and the ZIP2H departure; we had a [different] solution. The prior to plan was to return to SKBO (departure airport). The [other terrain] plan was to proceed to [transition] then SKBQ (on the northern coast of Columbia approximately 375nm flight from M2-1). After terrain was not a factor. Issue: [Original terrain solution] is located on the initial departure segment from SKBO just prior to SOA VOR. The single engine procedure from SKBO 10-7C has an immediate course reversal prior to the turn to the leg from KOLMU to SOA. Prior to [original terrain solution] past KOLMU; the [new] solution suggests return to SKBO. From [original terrain solution] and on it suggests terrain clearance is assured if the flight proceeds [original terrain solution] to [new solution] then SKBQ. 'BETWEEN [original terrain solution] and [new solution] 1ENG OUT CONT ON COURSE TO [new solution]; THEN PROCEED DIRECT TO SKBQ'. While this may produce the legal weight needed to takeoff from Bogota; no experienced Bogota pilot is going to divert somewhere other than Bogota; far past [original terrain solution].Bulletin XX-XX contains a statement that this information is for dispatch and planning purposes only; and in the event of an actual engine failure the Captain is expected to proceed to the nearest suitable airport in point of time; at which a safe approach and landing can be made. This is the crux of the issue. Actual points are being published in the flight plan with a statement that is non-ambiguous 'BETWEEN [original terrain solution] and [new solution] 1ENG OUT CONT ON COURSE TO [new solution]; THEN PROCEED DIRECT TO SKBQ'. In a soft labeled paragraph with no hint of CAUTION WARNING or other heads up that this is a Dispatch fantasy plan and not real guidance. In Bogota; this [original terrain solution] to [new solution] guidance gives the Captain the impression there is real terrain danger that could prohibit the aircraft from being able to return to Bogota; when a return to Bogota would certainly be the safest course of action far beyond [[original terrain solution].For two 'Ace of the Base' pilots; this is a no brainer. For two good pilots who are having a bad day; after having just spent 33 hours in an oxygen deprived environment; this could be the perfect noose to help them make a very bad decision.
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