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Attributes | |
ACN | 1418487 |
Time | |
Date | 201701 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other VOR B |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Departure Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 7 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
Aircraft X had been cleared for the VOR B into psp. When the aircraft was short final the psp tower called and told the approach controller that aircraft X was going to execute a 360 on final. The controller working position was very confused about what the aircraft was going to do. She had an aircraft on final behind aircraft X that she had to maneuver to maintain spacing. I think there is a big misconception on what exactly an aircraft is allowed to do when cleared for the VOR B approach. The tower was not clear about what the aircraft was doing. The tower tried to argue with the TRACON controller over the landline. We need to develop training for the controllers who work psp tower and approach so that they are aware what an aircraft can do on a VOR B approach so that we can provide positive separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT TRACON Controller reported of confusion when PSP Tower advised SCT that the aircraft on final was going to do a 360. SCT had traffic following the initial aircraft and wanted the rules clarified on what the Tower and Approach can do.
Narrative: Aircraft X had been cleared for the VOR B into PSP. When the aircraft was short final the PSP tower called and told the approach controller that Aircraft X was going to execute a 360 on final. The controller working position was very confused about what the aircraft was going to do. She had an aircraft on final behind Aircraft X that she had to maneuver to maintain spacing. I think there is a big misconception on what exactly an aircraft is allowed to do when cleared for the VOR B approach. The tower was not clear about what the aircraft was doing. The tower tried to argue with the TRACON controller over the landline. We need to develop training for the controllers who work PSP tower and approach so that they are aware what an aircraft can do on a VOR B approach so that we can provide positive separation.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.